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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets; and what type items they would buy. I’m thinking about consumer electronics. I’m uncertain about household such as blankets or comforters, or clothing. Thanks in advance for any advice, Joe in Florida
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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C.
Early on we were luckier than you Joe. We only had to drive 18 miles to see what crap the stuff was and run like hell.
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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets; and what type items they would buy. I’m thinking about consumer electronics. I’m uncertain about household such as blankets or comforters, or clothing. Thanks in advance for any advice, Joe in Florida
Joe, if this stuff is "returns" and being sold by the pallet, who in their right mind would want it…..except bottom feeders looking for a bargain, who’ll neg you at the drop of a hat if they don’t get a "like new" item for ten cents (despite whatever the auction says)? Sorry to be blunt, but if that crap was worth anything, the person trying to shove it off on you, would sell it themselves and make more money. Kris
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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets
I see the bashers have already begun bashing your intentions. (I don’t recall you asking anyone’s opinion on whether it was a good idea, just where you could go.) Unfortunately I can’t help either, but I am curious. How is it you know the wholesalers in AL and NC are cheaper, yet you don’t know where to go? ef
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I see the bashers have already begun bashing your intentions. (I don’t recall you asking anyone’s opinion on whether it was a good idea, just where you could go.) Unfortunately I can’t help either, but I am curious. How is it you know the wholesalers in AL and NC are cheaper, yet you don’t know where to go?
Wait, so you criticize others for not answering the question he asked.. Only to ask him why he doesn’t know the answer to his own question? Good think you’re here to save the day, huh? MP- — "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner
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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return
Dude, like no way you want to do this…instead here is what you wanna bust out (trust me, it’ll be better): Either tape or pin a whole bunch of 100 dollar bills to yourself, and then put on one of those big tall "Dr. Suess" hats and go to the worst crack-junkie whore infested neighborhood you can find. Walk around, shouting "Hey ya’ll…check this…I got freeking money commin outta my damn old self." Later, in the hospital, you’ll look back and think "wow, I’m really glad I did that crazy-ass money walk thing that guy Randy from the internet told me about, instead of buying those pallets of returns". No, please…don’t thank me…it’s my gift. -Randy
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets I see the bashers have already begun bashing your intentions. (I don’t recall you asking anyone’s opinion on whether it was a good idea, just where you could go.) Unfortunately I can’t help either, but I am curious. How is it you know the wholesalers in AL and NC are cheaper, yet you don’t know where to go? ef
Excuse me, but we "bashers" DID answer his question. He was asking what to buy. We told him. NONE of it. Kris
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return Dude, like no way you want to do this…instead here is what you wanna bust out (trust me, it’ll be better): Either tape or pin a whole bunch of 100 dollar bills to yourself, and then put on one of those big tall "Dr. Suess" hats and go to the worst crack-junkie whore infested neighborhood you can find. Walk around, shouting "Hey ya’ll…check this…I got freeking money commin outta my damn old self." Later, in the hospital, you’ll look back and think "wow, I’m really glad I did that crazy-ass money walk thing that guy Randy from the internet told me about, instead of buying those pallets of returns". No, please…don’t thank me…it’s my gift. -Randy
LOL! That’s the best of the bunch! Any voices of experience advising our inquirer to run from returns? I don’t disagree with the advice, I’m just wondering who’s gotten burned.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets; and what type items they would buy. I’m thinking about consumer electronics. I’m uncertain about household such as blankets or comforters, or clothing. Thanks in advance for any advice, Joe in Florida Joe, if this stuff is "returns" and being sold by the pallet, who in their right mind would want it…..except bottom feeders looking for a bargain, who’ll neg you at the drop of a hat if they don’t get a "like new" item for ten cents (despite whatever the auction says)? Sorry to be blunt, but if that crap was worth anything, the person trying to shove it off on you, would sell it themselves and make more money.
I don’t know…my friend used to work at a catalog return place and the clothes that people returned were usually in saleable condition. Just that the season had changed and the outlet store was overflowing. We used to buy shopping bags full of stuff for .50. I wouldn’t touch their electronics with a 10 foot pole though. A
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets; and what type items they would buy. I’m thinking about consumer electronics. I’m uncertain about household such as blankets or comforters, or clothing. Thanks in advance for any advice, Joe in Florida Joe, if this stuff is "returns" and being sold by the pallet, who in their right mind would want it…..except bottom feeders looking for a bargain, who’ll neg you at the drop of a hat if they don’t get a "like new" item for ten cents (despite whatever the auction says)? Sorry to be blunt, but if that crap was worth anything, the person trying to shove it off on you, would sell it themselves and make more money. I don’t know…my friend used to work at a catalog return place and the clothes that people returned were usually in saleable condition. Just that the season had changed and the outlet store was overflowing. We used to buy shopping bags full of stuff for .50. I wouldn’t touch their electronics with a 10 foot pole though. A
…and that’s the stuff he wants. IF I were thinking of doing something like that, I’d go for the comforters and other textiles… hoping that they weren’t covered in dog blood or something. I can’t buy for resale, unless I can touch and examine it. Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay. Don? Kris
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Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay.
Shipping is problematic. Local pick up only.
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I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return or shelf pull items for sale on ebay. I live in central Florida. The wholesalers in southern Florida seem a little more expensive than Southern Alabama or N.C. I would really appreciate advice if someone would recommend a place in southeast US where I can drive with my trailer and purchase 2 or 3 pallets; and what type items they would buy. I’m thinking about consumer electronics. I’m uncertain about household such as blankets or comforters, or clothing. Thanks in advance for any advice, Joe in Florida
Catalog returns are almost always bad news and are usually an extremely poor source of eBay items for sale. Problems include… (1) each pallet item has at least one problem. (2) the good stuff has long ago been higraded. (3) much of the product mix will be too bulky, heavy, or low in value. (4) There is no way to gain the needed 30:1 eBay sell/buy ratio. (5) Other parts of the product mix will be oddball or undesirable (6) Problems may be subtle and cause buyer grief. See the various tutorials at http://www.tinaja.com/auct01.asp Especially http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to go this weekend to pick up 2 or 3 pallets of catalog return Dude, like no way you want to do this…instead here is what you wanna bust out (trust me, it’ll be better): Either tape or pin a whole bunch of 100 dollar bills to yourself, and then put on one of those big tall "Dr. Suess" hats and go to the worst crack-junkie whore infested neighborhood you can find. Walk around, shouting "Hey ya’ll…check this…I got freeking money commin outta my damn old self." Later, in the hospital, you’ll look back and think "wow, I’m really glad I did that crazy-ass money walk thing that guy Randy from the internet told me about, instead of buying those pallets of returns". No, please…don’t thank me…it’s my gift. -Randy LOL! That’s the best of the bunch! Any voices of experience advising our inquirer to run from returns? I don’t disagree with the advice, I’m just wondering who’s gotten burned.
EVERYBODY, of course. But see http://www.tinaja.com/glib/moreebay.pdf for specifics. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
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Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay. Shipping is problematic. Local pick up only.
The Cuyahuga manufacturing company once offered a fly swatter with a ten foot extendable handle. And thus there was no insect that could fly above cuyahuga’s swatter. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
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Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay.
Here’s the deluxe model. — Crazy Dog wfh at crazy hyphen dog dot fsnet dot co dot uk
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Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay. Here’s the deluxe model.
Ooops – this time /with/ the item number…. 7169595008 — Crazy Dog wfh at crazy hyphen dog dot fsnet dot co dot uk
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Wait, so you criticize others for not answering the question he asked.. Only to ask him why he doesn’t know the answer to his own question? Good think you’re here to save the day, huh?
It was a legit question, and at least I didn’t bash his original post. But thankfully, we have YOU around to…umm…..serve no purpose whatsoever. ef
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Wait, so you criticize others for not answering the question he asked.. Only to ask him why he doesn’t know the answer to his own question? Good think you’re here to save the day, huh? It was a legit question, and at least I didn’t bash his original post. But thankfully, we have YOU around to…umm…..serve no purpose whatsoever.
Dear Kettle: Who cares if it was a legit question? You didn’t answer his question, though you certainly criticized others for not answering it. MP- — "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner
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… But thankfully, we have YOU around to…umm…..serve no purpose whatsoever.
Hey! I’m here to serve no purpose whatsoever. I demand you stop referring to someone else as "serving no purpose". There are serious penalties for not saying what you’re not saying. c
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Come to think about it, someone should start offering 10-foot poles on eBay.
I’ve got one I’d love to sell. It cost me about $70 30 years ago. It’s called a "Jim Pole". Big clamp at the bottom and a pulley built in at the top. Actually it’s a 10 foot aluminum pipe. They’re used for putting up sections of radio tower. I’m too old and fat to climb any more. — 01010111 10110110 11000101 01110100 00100000 01100110 11111011 11110001 11110001 11111111 00100000 10100111 11111111 01101101 11011111 11110101 10100011 10100111 00100000 10111111 10111111 10111111
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I see the bashers have already begun bashing your intentions. (I don’t recall you asking anyone’s opinion on whether it was a good idea, just where you could go.) Unfortunately I can’t help either, but I am curious. How is it you know the wholesalers in AL and NC are cheaper, yet you don’t know where to go? Wait, so you criticize others for not answering the question he asked.. Only to ask him why he doesn’t know the answer to his own question? Good think you’re here to save the day, huh?
<snerk! Welcome to EF’s world. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. –Edward Abbey
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Wait, so you criticize others for not answering the question he asked.. Only to ask him why he doesn’t know the answer to his own question? Good think you’re here to save the day, huh? It was a legit question, and at least I didn’t bash his original post. But thankfully, we have YOU around to…umm…..serve no purpose whatsoever.
Of course he has a purpose. The fact that it’s incomprehensible to *you* is irrelevant. Mangus’s current purpose: to point out EF’s inconsistencies. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. –Edward Abbey
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It was a legit question, and at least I didn’t bash his original post. But thankfully, we have YOU around to…umm…..serve no purpose whatsoever. Of course he has a purpose. The fact that it’s incomprehensible to *you* is irrelevant. Mangus’s current purpose: to point out EF’s inconsistencies.
In the world of Six Sigma, we call this low-hanging fruit. MP- — "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner
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I see the bashers have already begun bashing your intentions.
They’re just jealous. They wish that they’d come up with the name "Darth Ferret" themselves.
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Mangus’s current purpose: to point out EF’s inconsistencies. In the world of Six Sigma, we call this low-hanging fruit.
If I lived in the world of Six Sigma, I wouldn’t admit it. Load of corporate common-sense crapola. Now, go back to reading your copy of "Who Moved My Cheese". ef
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It’s coming by Purolator. (A new one on me – I thought they did filters!)
Purolator is the largest courier company in Canada — about 55% of the market last I checked (they used to have 85% — "purolator" used to be the verb for overnight shipping the way "fedex" is today). A few years backed they were purchased by Canada Post. I believe that their partner for delivery in the US is EMS. In any case, it is my understanding that US Customs does not take an interest in shipments worth less than $200 from Canada to the US. There seem to be some exceptions to this (e.g. textiles) but I don’t think this is one of them. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-
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I won an auction for a lot of 3 DSL modems from a place in Canada. Price was $329 + $25 shipping. In the auction terms there was a notice that "Buyer pays any Customs duties or broker fees as well as any applicable taxes". Other than just waiting to see what this amounts to, is there any place I can look up information on this? It’s coming from Alberta and I’m in Iowa. — – Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it! —
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Depends how they refer to it, gift or computer item. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I won an auction for a lot of 3 DSL modems from a place in Canada. Price was $329 + $25 shipping. In the auction terms there was a notice that "Buyer pays any Customs duties or broker fees as well as any applicable taxes". Other than just waiting to see what this amounts to, is there any place I can look up information on this? It’s coming from Alberta and I’m in Iowa.
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I won an auction for a lot of 3 DSL modems from a place in Canada. Price was $329 + $25 shipping. In the auction terms there was a notice that "Buyer pays any Customs duties or broker fees as well as any applicable taxes". Other than just waiting to see what this amounts to, is there any place I can look up information on this? It’s coming from Alberta and I’m in Iowa.
Duties depend on country of origin. Broker fees depend on the broker/carrier. Modems are free of duty entering the US and Canada (unless they are made in the naughtiest of countries, and this is certainly not the case) under harmonized code 8517.50.10.00. If it’s sent by mail you won’t pay anything. See USITC Publication 3745. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany — "it’s the network…" "The Journey is the reward" Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I won an auction for a lot of 3 DSL modems from a place in Canada. Price was $329 + $25 shipping. In the auction terms there was a notice that "Buyer pays any Customs duties or broker fees as well as any applicable taxes". Other than just waiting to see what this amounts to, is there any place I can look up information on this? It’s coming from Alberta and I’m in Iowa. Duties depend on country of origin. Broker fees depend on the broker/carrier. Modems are free of duty entering the US and Canada (unless they are made in the naughtiest of countries, and this is certainly not the case) under harmonized code 8517.50.10.00. If it’s sent by mail you won’t pay anything.
It’s coming by Purolator. (A new one on me – I thought they did filters!) See USITC Publication 3745.
Thanks for the reply. It doesn’t look like it’ll amount to anything. — – Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it! —
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Outfits for 16 bridesmaids and one bride, AND down one and a half pounds! Maybe the stress was making me retain water! The bridal stuff will be posted some time over the weekend. — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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) kewl ! — Will~ The problem with this world is stupidity, now I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem solve itself?
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excellent on all counts, Lee
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Great job Kate!!! Congrats on the loss and finishing the outfits!!! — Janice 263/247.5/150 (maybe 130)
Outfits for 16 bridesmaids and one bride, AND down one and a half pounds! Maybe the stress was making me retain water! The bridal stuff will be posted some time over the weekend. — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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Or maybe it was all the dye and fabric dust in the textiles. Anyway, congratulations on completing the bridal suite marathon and losing in the process. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Outfits for 16 bridesmaids and one bride, AND down one and a half pounds! Maybe the stress was making me retain water! The bridal stuff will be posted some time over the weekend.
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1.5 up, to be accurate! Still, it’s been the kid’s Easter holidays for the last two weeks here in the UK, and I haven’t had much exercise (no daily 2 mile walk, just a couple of strenuous house clearing days!). It’ll soon be gone! Time was I’d have bitten through my worry beads over this, but now I know that it’s sitting on me bum and not walking that has caused a hesitation, so I shall just get over it, get up and walk, and move on! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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1.5 up, to be accurate! Still, it’s been the kid’s Easter holidays for the last two weeks here in the UK, and I haven’t had much exercise (no daily 2 mile walk, just a couple of strenuous house clearing days!). It’ll soon be gone! Time was I’d have bitten through my worry beads over this, but now I know that it’s sitting on me bum and not walking that has caused a hesitation, so I shall just get over it, get up and walk, and move on!
It’s great that you know the cause!! When you get to move your weight will move back down, no doubt!! — Cheers, Connie Walsh 241.5/191.5/155 WNM 193.5/191.5/181.5 30 lbs to go 191.5/191.5/185
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With your great attitude, and with the kids back in school, I bet you will be walking more this week and that will reflect on the scales. Good luck! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/97/minigoal 94.1/ Goal 68 Kg 295.6/213.9/minigoal 207.5/Goal 150 pounds WNM: 216.3/213.9/203 lbs 98.1/98.1/92 kg
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Easter is enough to make anyone gain – I did – but it went again 
And I don’t blame the chocolate – I blame the stress of having the kids at home for 2 weeks! You’ll see – back to normal routine, back to your walking, and it’ll be gone in no time! — krys UK 157/129.2/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 …hmmmmmmm…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.5 up, to be accurate! Still, it’s been the kid’s Easter holidays for the last two weeks here in the UK, and I haven’t had much exercise (no daily 2 mile walk, just a couple of strenuous house clearing days!). It’ll soon be gone! Time was I’d have bitten through my worry beads over this, but now I know that it’s sitting on me bum and not walking that has caused a hesitation, so I shall just get over it, get up and walk, and move on! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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You get the kids for 2 weeks during Easter? Wow. Hang in there Kate. Now that they are back to school you’ll be walking and I expect to see the 1.5 down next week Julie
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You get the kids for 2 weeks during Easter? Wow. Hang in there Kate. Now that they are back to school you’ll be walking and I expect to see the 1.5 down next week
We get 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks at Easter, and 5 weeks in the summer. In addition there is the one week ‘half term’ break in the middle of each term… Except that we get it Whitsun week in the summer term, a month from now! Then there is that Looooong ‘half’ until the summer break from the end of July to the beginning of September. When I was teaching full time it was mad… We had a ‘long half’ from September to the end of October, then the lead up to Christmas was packed! Then the term from Christmas to Easter FELT like a short one (it is when Easter is early). After Easter we had barely 4 weeks (as there are 3 bank holidays close together: Easter, May Day, and Whitsun) until half term, and then we were in the full flood of exams. The last month after all the exams were finished with was sooooooo long and dreary for those left, and they NEVER wanted to work! The GOOD thing was that the 5th form (aged 16 or so) and the Upper VI (18+) no longer attended school once the exams started, so you had more free time to plan for the others, catch up on marking, and whatever. It’s all a bit different now as the exams are more spread out. It sounds like you get 12 weeks holiday a year as a teacher, but it never works out like that. You spend half of it in school doing admin stuff, planning lessons and preparing classes, and more of it at home reading all the new crap sent out from the government about what you should be doing that’s different and how changes in the law affect you in the classroom, how the exam syllabus has changed yet again, and all the new grade criteria THAT involves (and that’s before you have to read all the books and prepare your teaching notes!), and then during term time you regularly do an 80 hour week just to keep abreast of the marking and grading and record keeping. And people ask why I don’t do it any more… NOBODY pays well enough to get me back on that spiral of insanity! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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Kate, How long is the teaching day in the classroom with the students? I know here the day is from 8:30 am to 3:00 pm for the elementary school age children (ages 6-13) and for high school ages (14-18) is from 7:12 am to 2:05 pm. They have lots of time off time depending on the schedule they are on. The modified schedule is: 8 weeks instruction 2 week break 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (Christmas holidays) 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (sometimes it coincides with Easter and sometimes it does not) 8 weeks instruction 8 week Summer Break Then there is the year round schedule which is: 16 weeks instruction 8 week break 16 weeks instruction 8 week break The year round schedule is what my kids dealt with for all of their elementary years. The two month breaks rotated depending on what "Track" you were on. So they could utilize the facilities year round but only have 2/3 of the students on campus at a given time. My kids had the months of March/April and September/October off. I liked going on vacations off season and was able to see lots of things that you can not see during the regular summer breaks (autumn colors in the Rocky Mountains). My daughter who is in high school now (she is 15), Starts mid August and does not get a break until the Christmas holidays when she is off for 3 weeks, then she has a week off for Easter in the spring and then school lets out at the end of May. But she typically takes summer classes at the college to get ahead. So she has school all but two weeks of her summer break too. My oldest daughter is currently attending university in order to become a school teacher. I think great teachers put in the hours you talk about that you did, but I think there are a lot of very poor and mediocre teachers that should not be teaching and take advantage of the shorter work day and all the time off during the year. Just my two cents (pence) worth. Debbie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You get the kids for 2 weeks during Easter? Wow. Hang in there Kate. Now that they are back to school you’ll be walking and I expect to see the 1.5 down next week We get 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks at Easter, and 5 weeks in the summer. In addition there is the one week ‘half term’ break in the middle of each term… Except that we get it Whitsun week in the summer term, a month from now! Then there is that Looooong ‘half’ until the summer break from the end of July to the beginning of September. When I was teaching full time it was mad… We had a ‘long half’ from September to the end of October, then the lead up to Christmas was packed! Then the term from Christmas to Easter FELT like a short one (it is when Easter is early). After Easter we had barely 4 weeks (as there are 3 bank holidays close together: Easter, May Day, and Whitsun) until half term, and then we were in the full flood of exams. The last month after all the exams were finished with was sooooooo long and dreary for those left, and they NEVER wanted to work! The GOOD thing was that the 5th form (aged 16 or so) and the Upper VI (18+) no longer attended school once the exams started, so you had more free time to plan for the others, catch up on marking, and whatever. It’s all a bit different now as the exams are more spread out. It sounds like you get 12 weeks holiday a year as a teacher, but it never works out like that. You spend half of it in school doing admin stuff, planning lessons and preparing classes, and more of it at home reading all the new crap sent out from the government about what you should be doing that’s different and how changes in the law affect you in the classroom, how the exam syllabus has changed yet again, and all the new grade criteria THAT involves (and that’s before you have to read all the books and prepare your teaching notes!), and then during term time you regularly do an 80 hour week just to keep abreast of the marking and grading and record keeping. And people ask why I don’t do it any more… NOBODY pays well enough to get me back on that spiral of insanity! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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That’s some food for though….pun unintended. I was considering being a teacher, but it sounds like the pay to commitment isn’t worth it and the benefit (time off) isn’t as much as advertised. Julie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You get the kids for 2 weeks during Easter? Wow. Hang in there Kate. Now that they are back to school you’ll be walking and I expect to see the 1.5 down next week We get 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks at Easter, and 5 weeks in the summer. In addition there is the one week ‘half term’ break in the middle of each term… Except that we get it Whitsun week in the summer term, a month from now! Then there is that Looooong ‘half’ until the summer break from the end of July to the beginning of September. When I was teaching full time it was mad… We had a ‘long half’ from September to the end of October, then the lead up to Christmas was packed! Then the term from Christmas to Easter FELT like a short one (it is when Easter is early). After Easter we had barely 4 weeks (as there are 3 bank holidays close together: Easter, May Day, and Whitsun) until half term, and then we were in the full flood of exams. The last month after all the exams were finished with was sooooooo long and dreary for those left, and they NEVER wanted to work! The GOOD thing was that the 5th form (aged 16 or so) and the Upper VI (18+) no longer attended school once the exams started, so you had more free time to plan for the others, catch up on marking, and whatever. It’s all a bit different now as the exams are more spread out. It sounds like you get 12 weeks holiday a year as a teacher, but it never works out like that. You spend half of it in school doing admin stuff, planning lessons and preparing classes, and more of it at home reading all the new crap sent out from the government about what you should be doing that’s different and how changes in the law affect you in the classroom, how the exam syllabus has changed yet again, and all the new grade criteria THAT involves (and that’s before you have to read all the books and prepare your teaching notes!), and then during term time you regularly do an 80 hour week just to keep abreast of the marking and grading and record keeping. And people ask why I don’t do it any more… NOBODY pays well enough to get me back on that spiral of insanity! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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Kate, How long is the teaching day in the classroom with the students?
Depends a bit on the type of school… Here James is at the local primary and they start at 9 and finish at 3:25 or so. I taught secondary level (11-18), and they usually start about 8:30 and finish at about 3:45 pm. I used to get in at 8 am and leave at about 7 pm, and do another 2-3 hours marking and prep after dinner. Because the out of school and ‘holiday’ time was infinitely flexible, and some idle wotzitz did very little while other eager beavers did way too much, they brought in what they called ‘directed time’, which was supposed to cover both teaching and non-contact time spend on the job in meetings and in service training. It’s something like 12068 hours a year, which works out as a 31 hour week during term time only. Prep and marking was on top of this… The year they brought this in they also introduced the National Curriculum AND changed the exam system for 16+ radically, requiring a lot of meetings, in service training on the new exam systems, and whatever. The department I worked in (a very efficiently run English dept in a boy’s school) had used up all this directed time by a week before the Easter break! Our head of department said that as we were not being paid for any more hours that year, we would not be in school, but we WOULD do all our preparation and marking at home… It brought home to the head just how much we were doing! I remember one particularly awful week when they changed the paperwork requirements a week before the coursework deadline, and I spent 25 man hours over the weekend sorting it out, then worked right through the night and went back into school to teach TWICE before Friday. Others in the department were doing the same, and none of us marked anything that wasn’t both urgent and essential in the way of exercise books that week. That Directed time thing was a joke: it barely covered us for teaching time, never mind essential meetings! And when you think that every hour long lesson you teach takes another hour at lest in prep and marking, you can see why teachers got a bit sour when told they were well paid for working a 5 hour day and a 40 week year! Now things are different. You need two bodies just to keep up with the recording and marking! I worked out with another teacher recently that if teachers had the UK standard 25 days (or 5 weeks, as weekends are not counted as working days)) holiday per year, they would still need to work a 68 hour working week to get the job done! The modified schedule is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 8 weeks instruction 2 week break 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (Christmas holidays) 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (sometimes it coincides with Easter and sometimes it does not) 8 weeks instruction 8 week Summer Break Then there is the year round schedule which is: 16 weeks instruction 8 week break 16 weeks instruction 8 week break
This works out as a working year of 32 weeks, which is shorter than the UK standard of 40. I KNEW we worked our kids too hard! The year round schedule is what my kids dealt with for all of their elementary years. The two month breaks rotated depending on what "Track" you were on. So they could utilize the facilities year round but only have 2/3 of the students on campus at a given time. My kids had the months of March/April and September/October off. I liked going on vacations off season and was able to see lots of things that you can not see during the regular summer breaks (autumn colors in the Rocky Mountains). My daughter who is in high school now (she is 15), Starts mid August and does not get a break until the Christmas holidays when she is off for 3 weeks, then she has a week off for Easter in the spring and then school lets out at the end of May. But she typically takes summer classes at the college to get ahead. So she has school all but two weeks of her summer break too.
Here if you teach summer schools, you get paid extra for them. A lot of regular classroom teachers cannot spare the time, as they spend the 5 week summer break preparing for the next year. My oldest daughter is currently attending university in order to become a school teacher. I think great teachers put in the hours you talk about that you did, but I think there are a lot of very poor and mediocre teachers that should not be teaching and take advantage of the shorter work day and all the time off during the year. Just my two cents (pence) worth.
That’s getting less common here in the UK, with all the requirements one has to fill just to get the job done, and the introduction of annual assessments for teachers! Lots of teachers really complained about that when it was brought in, but I never had a problem with it. They come and observe you teach, to make sure you do it right, and they look at the records and paperwork to make sure you are on track. If there are problems, you SHOULD get help and advice to fix it, but you can also be asked to help a colleague with difficulties! Happened to me one time! I had a ‘problem class’ (very rowdy!) and needed help sorting out my dealings with them, while teaching another how I planned lessons, because she found that incredibly hard! I’ve never bothered about being watched teaching: after all, the kids watch you and asses you all the time, and they know who the good teachers are, and which ones are idle buggers! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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I agree on the lifeskills. They are no longer taught in school the way they were when we were kids. Most don’t have a clue how to do their finances, save money or cook anything other than a microwave or a boxed meal. They also have no clue how to operate a power tool or how to use a hammer or screwdriver either. It is a shame that so much is based on getting the right scores for the teachers and not for the benefit of the students.
For us it’s getting the right scores for the bloody league tables! Most of the teachers I know would MUCH rather be teaching the stuff the kids need and want! I am proud to say though that my daughter informed me today that she passed all her exit exams (tests that are given so you can graduate) and she took them two years early. They get three chances on these tests and if they pass the first time they wont have to take them again, but will have to complete their studies in school to graduate and of course complete Senior Project which is a very long arduous research project, research paper oral presentation and community service work.
Well, she should have time to learn some ‘real’ stuff to! ;) Tell her congratulations from me. — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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*groan* That’s rough stuff Kate. What is legal drinking age in the UK? I thought it was 17 there too-or maybe that is driving age … It just proves once again that it is a parent’s responsibility to teach a child to be a functioning part of society.
It’s a bit complex… You are not allowed to give kids under 5 alcohol AT ALL. Kids of 14 or so are allowed a glass of wine with a meal in a restaurant. You cannot BUY alcohol until you are 18. From the age of about 13 onwards, I was allowed a glass of wine with
Sunday dinner if I wanted it, and I was always allowed to try whatever the parents were having from the age of about 5… Result was that when I went off to uni, I was already used to the stuff, knew what I liked and what I didn’t, and I was never one of those students who go mad and get drunk every weekend just because they are suddenly old enough to do so! My drug of choice was always adrenaline! Climbing, canoeing, flying, fast cars… All available if I wanted them, and much more fun than getting drunk! These days I can get quite a nice rush from the first cut into REALLY expensive fabric! :D — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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and from me as well, Lee
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree on the lifeskills. They are no longer taught in school the way they were when we were kids. Most don’t have a clue how to do their finances, save money or cook anything other than a microwave or a boxed meal. They also have no clue how to operate a power tool or how to use a hammer or screwdriver either. It is a shame that so much is based on getting the right scores for the teachers and not for the benefit of the students. For us it’s getting the right scores for the bloody league tables! Most of the teachers I know would MUCH rather be teaching the stuff the kids need and want! I am proud to say though that my daughter informed me today that she passed all her exit exams (tests that are given so you can graduate) and she took them two years early. They get three chances on these tests and if they pass the first time they wont have to take them again, but will have to complete their studies in school to graduate and of course complete Senior Project which is a very long arduous research project, research paper oral presentation and community service work. Well, she should have time to learn some ‘real’ stuff to! ;) Tell her congratulations from me. — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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*groan* That’s rough stuff Kate. What is legal drinking age in the UK? I thought it was 17 there too-or maybe that is driving age … It just proves once again that it is a parent’s responsibility to teach a child to be a functioning part of society.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s some food for though….pun unintended. I was considering being a teacher, but it sounds like the pay to commitment isn’t worth it and the benefit (time off) isn’t as much as advertised. Julie My last 18 months in full time teaching we had 32 government inspired initiatives… All new stuff we had to do, and nobody ever said we could drop some of the other stuff! I went to one staff meeting and the head had a 4 ft high pile of paper beside him: it was all stuff that had arrived in the two week period he had taken off in the middle of the summer to spend some time with his wife (another teacher) and his kids! It ALL had to be read, assimilated, put into practice and staff trained for it by 1st September! By the time he GOT to some of it, it was superseded by a new initiative… Then if you dare to take kids out on trips you get vilified and sued if something goes wrong when they do exactly what you told them NOT to do and get hurt! Or it causes a national newspaper scandal when a 17 YO gets drunk in Germany (where he’s legally old enough to drink!) and chokes to death on his own vomit, after his condition is concealed by his friends because they are all trying to avoid being made to look stupid by being told off! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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I agree on the lifeskills. They are no longer taught in school the way they were when we were kids. Most don’t have a clue how to do their finances, save money or cook anything other than a microwave or a boxed meal. They also have no clue how to operate a power tool or how to use a hammer or screwdriver either. It is a shame that so much is based on getting the right scores for the teachers and not for the benefit of the students. I am proud to say though that my daughter informed me today that she passed all her exit exams (tests that are given so you can graduate) and she took them two years early. They get three chances on these tests and if they pass the first time they wont have to take them again, but will have to complete their studies in school to graduate and of course complete Senior Project which is a very long arduous research project, research paper oral presentation and community service work. Debbie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Kate, I figured the school year was more strenuous in the UK. I think it should be more instructional days here, but they will not do that as it will cost more money. I do know that the kids take the standardized tests annually, but then the teachers are teaching that curriculum and passing over other things they need so the test scores reflect they are doing their job. We’re seeing a LOT of that here now: we have published league tables, based on how well kids do in the SATs… It’s a pile of crap. The kids are taught how to pass the tests with a good score, but they come out knowing nothing useful! Kids get to university entrance level in textiles but can’t sew a dress together! In English they have ‘research skills’ but cannot read a book from end to end and give you a brief verbal synopsis! I did a very cruel thing to an A level (University entrance level, ages 17-18) group I had to babysit not too many years ago… They were doing a Shakespeare play that I had done for A level in 1975, and as I still have my exam papers, I dug them out and set them an essay question from that paper. They ALL failed miserably! Even those who were getting A grades for their regular work. They had no idea how to analyse the question, and many of them had to look some of the words up to find their meaning! AKK! They had the intelligence to do well, but lacked the skills needed to do this type of work. They are going to find it very hard when they get to university and have to devise their own questions and then answer them at a high enough level to satisfy the course requirements. I’ve long thought that teaching kids how to run a bank account, how to budget for bills, what the small print in HP contracts REALLY means, and how to clean a house with the least possible expense of time and energy for acceptable results would be a lot more use to most of them than some of the crap we had to teach! Oh, and how to cook healthily for a family without needing to sell the car and remortgage the house to pay for Christmas! ’Learning needs to be fun’ is all very well, but WHAT they learn needs to be USEFUL! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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sorry you gained but look at the wonderful NSV you have, that is a great attitude, Lee
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.5 up, to be accurate! Still, it’s been the kid’s Easter holidays for the last two weeks here in the UK, and I haven’t had much exercise (no daily 2 mile walk, just a couple of strenuous house clearing days!). It’ll soon be gone! Time was I’d have bitten through my worry beads over this, but now I know that it’s sitting on me bum and not walking that has caused a hesitation, so I shall just get over it, get up and walk, and move on! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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Thanks Kate, I figured the school year was more strenuous in the UK. I think it should be more instructional days here, but they will not do that as it will cost more money. I do know that the kids take the standardized tests annually, but then the teachers are teaching that curriculum and passing over other things they need so the test scores reflect they are doing their job.
We’re seeing a LOT of that here now: we have published league tables, based on how well kids do in the SATs… It’s a pile of crap. The kids are taught how to pass the tests with a good score, but they come out knowing nothing useful! Kids get to university entrance level in textiles but can’t sew a dress together! In English they have ‘research skills’ but cannot read a book from end to end and give you a brief verbal synopsis! I did a very cruel thing to an A level (University entrance level, ages 17-18) group I had to babysit not too many years ago… They were doing a Shakespeare play that I had done for A level in 1975, and as I still have my exam papers, I dug them out and set them an essay question from that paper. They ALL failed miserably! Even those who were getting A grades for their regular work. They had no idea how to analyse the question, and many of them had to look some of the words up to find their meaning! AKK! They had the intelligence to do well, but lacked the skills needed to do this type of work. They are going to find it very hard when they get to university and have to devise their own questions and then answer them at a high enough level to satisfy the course requirements. I’ve long thought that teaching kids how to run a bank account, how to budget for bills, what the small print in HP contracts REALLY means, and how to clean a house with the least possible expense of time and energy for acceptable results would be a lot more use to most of them than some of the crap we had to teach! Oh, and how to cook healthily for a family without needing to sell the car and remortgage the house to pay for Christmas! ’Learning needs to be fun’ is all very well, but WHAT they learn needs to be USEFUL! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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I was up after easter as well. Kids, family, talking and not exercising…it all adds up. I have been able to loose it though…eating more vegetables, switching from soda to diet soda for a little while…
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Thanks Kate, I figured the school year was more strenuous in the UK. I think it should be more instructional days here, but they will not do that as it will cost more money. I do know that the kids take the standardized tests annually, but then the teachers are teaching that curriculum and passing over other things they need so the test scores reflect they are doing their job. Debbie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kate, How long is the teaching day in the classroom with the students? Depends a bit on the type of school… Here James is at the local primary and they start at 9 and finish at 3:25 or so. I taught secondary level (11-18), and they usually start about 8:30 and finish at about 3:45 pm. I used to get in at 8 am and leave at about 7 pm, and do another 2-3 hours marking and prep after dinner. Because the out of school and ‘holiday’ time was infinitely flexible, and some idle wotzitz did very little while other eager beavers did way too much, they brought in what they called ‘directed time’, which was supposed to cover both teaching and non-contact time spend on the job in meetings and in service training. It’s something like 12068 hours a year, which works out as a 31 hour week during term time only. Prep and marking was on top of this… The year they brought this in they also introduced the National Curriculum AND changed the exam system for 16+ radically, requiring a lot of meetings, in service training on the new exam systems, and whatever. The department I worked in (a very efficiently run English dept in a boy’s school) had used up all this directed time by a week before the Easter break! Our head of department said that as we were not being paid for any more hours that year, we would not be in school, but we WOULD do all our preparation and marking at home… It brought home to the head just how much we were doing! I remember one particularly awful week when they changed the paperwork requirements a week before the coursework deadline, and I spent 25 man hours over the weekend sorting it out, then worked right through the night and went back into school to teach TWICE before Friday. Others in the department were doing the same, and none of us marked anything that wasn’t both urgent and essential in the way of exercise books that week. That Directed time thing was a joke: it barely covered us for teaching time, never mind essential meetings! And when you think that every hour long lesson you teach takes another hour at lest in prep and marking, you can see why teachers got a bit sour when told they were well paid for working a 5 hour day and a 40 week year! Now things are different. You need two bodies just to keep up with the recording and marking! I worked out with another teacher recently that if teachers had the UK standard 25 days (or 5 weeks, as weekends are not counted as working days)) holiday per year, they would still need to work a 68 hour working week to get the job done! The modified schedule is: 8 weeks instruction 2 week break 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (Christmas holidays) 8 weeks instruction 2 week break (sometimes it coincides with Easter and sometimes it does not) 8 weeks instruction 8 week Summer Break Then there is the year round schedule which is: 16 weeks instruction 8 week break 16 weeks instruction 8 week break This works out as a working year of 32 weeks, which is shorter than the UK standard of 40. I KNEW we worked our kids too hard! The year round schedule is what my kids dealt with for all of their elementary years. The two month breaks rotated depending on what "Track" you were on. So they could utilize the facilities year round but only have 2/3 of the students on campus at a given time. My kids had the months of March/April and September/October off. I liked going on vacations off season and was able to see lots of things that you can not see during the regular summer breaks (autumn colors in the Rocky Mountains). My daughter who is in high school now (she is 15), Starts mid August and does not get a break until the Christmas holidays when she is off for 3 weeks, then she has a week off for Easter in the spring and then school lets out at the end of May. But she typically takes summer classes at the college to get ahead. So she has school all but two weeks of her summer break too. Here if you teach summer schools, you get paid extra for them. A lot of regular classroom teachers cannot spare the time, as they spend the 5 week summer break preparing for the next year. My oldest daughter is currently attending university in order to become a school teacher. I think great teachers put in the hours you talk about that you did, but I think there are a lot of very poor and mediocre teachers that should not be teaching and take advantage of the shorter work day and all the time off during the year. Just my two cents (pence) worth. That’s getting less common here in the UK, with all the requirements one has to fill just to get the job done, and the introduction of annual assessments for teachers! Lots of teachers really complained about that when it was brought in, but I never had a problem with it. They come and observe you teach, to make sure you do it right, and they look at the records and paperwork to make sure you are on track. If there are problems, you SHOULD get help and advice to fix it, but you can also be asked to help a colleague with difficulties! Happened to me one time! I had a ‘problem class’ (very rowdy!) and needed help sorting out my dealings with them, while teaching another how I planned lessons, because she found that incredibly hard! I’ve never bothered about being watched teaching: after all, the kids watch you and asses you all the time, and they know who the good teachers are, and which ones are idle buggers! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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That’s some food for though….pun unintended. I was considering being a teacher, but it sounds like the pay to commitment isn’t worth it and the benefit (time off) isn’t as much as advertised. Julie
My last 18 months in full time teaching we had 32 government inspired initiatives… All new stuff we had to do, and nobody ever said we could drop some of the other stuff! I went to one staff meeting and the head had a 4 ft high pile of paper beside him: it was all stuff that had arrived in the two week period he had taken off in the middle of the summer to spend some time with his wife (another teacher) and his kids! It ALL had to be read, assimilated, put into practice and staff trained for it by 1st September! By the time he GOT to some of it, it was superseded by a new initiative… Then if you dare to take kids out on trips you get vilified and sued if something goes wrong when they do exactly what you told them NOT to do and get hurt! Or it causes a national newspaper scandal when a 17 YO gets drunk in Germany (where he’s legally old enough to drink!) and chokes to death on his own vomit, after his condition is concealed by his friends because they are all trying to avoid being made to look stupid by being told off! — Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!
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Hi All My mom is off to Bangkok for a week this month, on her own. Staying at the Ambassador Hotel, in Downtown Bangkok and is interested primarily in shopping at the local markets for textiles and leather products, at a good price. She is limited by her arthritis, so i was wondering if anyone knows of any thirfty venues that are near her hotel? I suppose she could take a cab too..but the closer to the hotel, the better. Thanks in advance for relevant replies -T
Tell your mama to go to Pratunum,that area of bangkok has many clothing stores like a big warehouse about 5 to 10 minutes by taxi
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" Tuuk" wrote … There are many tailors in the area, remember they always quote you 100% more on the price than they expect to receive. In other words, if they ask 1000 baht, offer 500 but do not say no should they accept your 500 bht offer.
Yes, there are many tailors in the area around Soi 15, but they are Indian tourist tailors. If you want serious tailor or dressmaking craftsmanship you should go to a Thai-Chinese tailor who does all the work within his own shophouse instead of sending someone on a motorcycle with a measurement sheet.
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" Tuuk" wrote … There are many tailors in the area, remember they always quote you 100% more on the price than they expect to receive. In other words, if they ask 1000 baht, offer 500 but do not say no should they accept your 500 bht offer. Yes, there are many tailors in the area around Soi 15, but they are Indian tourist tailors. If you want serious tailor or dressmaking craftsmanship you should go to a Thai-Chinese tailor who does all the work within his own shophouse instead of sending someone on a motorcycle with a measurement sheet.
It’s always hit or miss with tailors, especially since there are normally a number of different hands involved in your clothing. The cheapest tailors have the cheapest labour. A lousy pattern cutter, for example, can muck things up very easily, or not knowing how much breathing room to give each measurement, for each type of customer body type- bigger people need more breathing room in some areas, for example…I still remember my beautiful HK shirt…Absolutely skin tight…If you bring it back, rather than starting from square one, they will try to ‘fix’ the mistakes. If it was cut too small, they’ll try to add a panel of cloth, which always looks like crap, in my experience.. Every time I’ve used any tailor, it always ends up as a test of my patience…. Lawrence
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Yes, if you walk out the side entrance to the hotel, there is a courtyard that leads to Sukumvit Street where the sky train travels. There are many many stores and tables or booths all along there within walking distance. Also the skytrain is there at the Nana access and you can take that to the end of the line to the Mo Chit market, which I think runs on Saturdays only. Hope that helps, spelling may vary, been a few years since I stayed there. There are many tailors in the area, remember they always quote you 100% more on the price than they expect to receive. In other words, if they ask 1000 baht, offer 500 but do not say no should they accept your 500 bht offer.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All My mom is off to Bangkok for a week this month, on her own. Staying at the Ambassador Hotel, in Downtown Bangkok and is interested primarily in shopping at the local markets for textiles and leather products, at a good price. She is limited by her arthritis, so i was wondering if anyone knows of any thirfty venues that are near her hotel? I suppose she could take a cab too..but the closer to the hotel, the better. Thanks in advance for relevant replies -T
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Hi All My mom is off to Bangkok for a week this month, on her own. Staying at the Ambassador Hotel, in Downtown Bangkok and is interested primarily in shopping at the local markets for textiles and leather products, at a good price. She is limited by her arthritis, so i was wondering if anyone knows of any thirfty venues that are near her hotel? I suppose she could take a cab too..but the closer to the hotel, the better. Thanks in advance for relevant replies -T
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe. 1 Copenhagen, Denmark - 9:00 p.m. 2 At Sea – – 3 Nynashamn (Stockholm), Sweden 7:00 a.m. 5:30 p.m. 4 Helsinki, Finland 8:30 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. - 6 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation - 6:00 p.m. 7 Tallinn, Estonia 7:00 a.m. 1:00 p.m. 8 Gdynia (Gdansk), Poland 9:00 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 9 At Sea – – 10 Oslo, Norway 7:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m. 11 Copenhagen, Denmark 5:00 am
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe.
More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
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Copenhagen – If you like to shop, then shop away. The Orrefors seconds shop has things at totally incredible prices, but of course Orrefors is heavy, so bring an empty suitcase with you. Jensen silver, great beers in the square. The hop on hop off busses are a great deal, and stop at the dock, and the canal trip is good too. I love that city. Sweden – Hey, another chance at a canal trip. We just walked through the city on our own, great outdoor restaurants for lunch, we ended up in a mexican italian place. Way better then you would think, a beautiful outdoor lunch. Helsinki – Didn’t really impress us all that much, grab one of the ships tours to see something that interests you. St Petersburg – If you are not going out on your own here, or getting a guide, then stack as many ships tours as you can. We did three the first day and two the second. We were a bit tired for the ballet the first night, but it was still lots of fun. Believe it or not, this was the only city in the baltics we didn’t have to change any money in. You have to get to as many of the majors as you can, it’s a once in a lifetime trip. Tallinn we loved. It’s a really small place, so everything is walkable, the people great, and everything is so old. There are a couple of crafts markets there with some very good textiles and glassware, and the prices are really good. Dollars or whatever their currency was were accepted without any hassles at all, sometimes a vendor would ask if it was OK to give us dollars in change, etc. Some of the hand painted fabrics like the ties are very cool indeed. Oslo – The sculpture park is fairly amazing, but you don’t have to take the ships tour, grab the trolley and it brings you right to the park. There is also a museum across the street from the sculpture park that is great, shows how many of them were case, what the thought process was, etc. One of the best foods we have ever had was when the shrimp boats come in at Oslo around noon (funny how that works). They steam up the varmints on the way in, and sell them by the liter. Grab a liter, head over to a seat along the dicks, and have some incredible shrimp. Toss the heads to one of the many seagulls sitting around waiting for you to toss them a shrimp head. Check what days you will be in Copenhagen, I believe the museums are free on Sundays.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe. 1 Copenhagen, Denmark - 9:00 p.m. 2 At Sea – – 3 Nynashamn (Stockholm), Sweden 7:00 a.m. 5:30 p.m. 4 Helsinki, Finland 8:30 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. - 6 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation - 6:00 p.m. 7 Tallinn, Estonia 7:00 a.m. 1:00 p.m. 8 Gdynia (Gdansk), Poland 9:00 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 9 At Sea – – 10 Oslo, Norway 7:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m. 11 Copenhagen, Denmark 5:00 am
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More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
Actually, that depends on whether you’re on the surface or on the bottom. http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/Articles/1999/baltic2.htm — Asya Kamsky "To forgive is an act of compassion. It is not done because people deserve it, it’s done because they need it." — Rupert Giles.
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe. More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
Actually, if you had to pick one, you’d have to say the Baltic is "salt water". The marine life is entirely salt water species, afaik — they catch herring and shrimp there, for instance. There is a clear salinity gradient from the almost oceanic conditions in the northern Kattegat to the almost freshwater conditions in the northern Bothnian Bay and the eastern extension (don’t know the name of it), and another vertical gradient between the lower saltier layer and the upper fresher gradient. There is also a time factor, as rare influxes of North Sea water (every 20 years or so) raise the salinity and, in fact, prevent the Baltic from turning into a freshwater lake/estuary. You might call much of the Baltic "brackish" like the Black Sea and some estuaries in Florida, but there aren’t any "brackish water" fish and mollusks. We used to go fishing for "gator trout" in Florida, a specialized low-salinity trout, both large and tasty! Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." — Abraham Lincoln
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe.
Prepare yourself for a treat! But also be prepared for high prices in the Scandinavian countries. 1 Copenhagen, Denmark
There is tons to do. Just walk around in the main pedestrianized area. Make sure to see the Little Mermaid and the Tivoli — a nice place to be around sunset. No need to pay for excursions. There is a terrific free publication available onthe buses, something like Copenhagen Today, which is all you need to plan your day. It has good maps, attraction locations, etc. The palaces are quite interesting if you like that sort of thing. 3 Nynashamn (Stockholm), Sweden 7:00 a.m. 5:30
I love Stockholm — it is just so beautiful. Again, a good place to walk around. The ship museums are fun. No need to pay for excursions. 4 Helsinki, Finland 8:30 a.m. 6:00 p.m.
I don’t know too much about it — I have spent like three hours there, just walking around. It’s a small city and easy to navigate. The language is impossible but a lot of people speak English. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. -
Russia requires an expensive visa, which is also a pain to get. Your only alternative — and one you will want to take, — is to hire a guide service with a visa waiver, i.e. you won’t need a visa as long as the guide is with you. All ship excursions are on this program, and also there are independent operators such as "Red October"which provide better service at half the price. You will definitely want to visit the Hermitage and one of the palaces outside of the city (Peterhof or Catherine’s Palace). There is so much to see, you really should get a book and decide, or else just ask Red October to put together a good tour for you. In other words, this is the one stop where you really need to do some extensive advance planning, or else you can pay the exhorbitant prices for cruiseline excursions. 7 Tallinn, Estonia 7:00 a.m. 1:00 p.m.
This is the best place for shopping — sweaters, amber etc. will cost you a lot less than in Sweden or Norway. You will spend the day inthe old city, without doubt, which is a lot of fun. Again, no need for an excursion — you should have a free shuttle, just ride it to the Old City and get off, and get a free map. 10 Oslo, Norway 7:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m.
Wonderful city but really REALLY expensive, even worse then Sweden and Denmark. I suggest that you visit the Folk Museum here (or if not, in Stockholm or Helsinki, which also have them). These are outdoor areas where they have reconstructed old buildings from various time periods all over the country. The statuary park and the Viking ship museum are also excellent. Both the Folk Museum and the Viking museum are across the harbor, which requires an inexpensive and fun ferry trip. The Scandanavian countries have a remarkable degree of English fluency — not only do a majority of the people speak English, they speak it WELL — and also the old city in Talinn. In Russia and Poland, English is much much less common. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." — Abraham Lincoln
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It’s only $100, and once you have all your paperwork from the cruise line it’s a piece of cake to get. I don’t like you have to give up your passport to get one now (you didn’t a few years ago, just a copy of the information page) so I would pay the extra $50 or $70 to use a visa service if your consulate doesn’t allow walk ins.
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Grab a liter, head over to a seat along the dicks, and have some
incredible shrimp. Gee, I can’t believe you said such a thing about the locals 
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Spell checker run amuck, of course I meant docks, good catch. Probably lots of troll points in that one. The shrimp[ is still the best I’ve ever had.
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Definitely get the visa for St. Petersburg. I had thought based on my investigation, you have to have a letter of sponsorship from a Russian national, there are private tour groups that offer this. My biggest gripe about St. Petersburg was being in an industrial dock some 15mins drive from the city center, through some very drab neighborhoods. Most of the tours were 1/2 day. You can rent a guide and car for $500.00/day (seem to remember that price). Copenhagen, Helsinki, and Stockholm are wonderful cities, clean and easy to get around, everyone was very friendly, felt very safe, and signs in English. I was a little underwhelmed with Tivoli, after all the hype we had heard. It was a pleasant evening though. Ship was close to city center in each case. Little mermaid (Loreli) is gone, destroyed by a storm (thinks). Will probaly get replaced with something identical. Tallin (old town) is easily seen in 3 hours, including getting too and from the ship. Do a google search, coz previous poster visited Gdansk and had a wonderful time. –mikeb
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe. 1 Copenhagen, Denmark - 9:00 p.m. 2 At Sea – – 3 Nynashamn (Stockholm), Sweden 7:00 a.m. 5:30 p.m. 4 Helsinki, Finland 8:30 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. - 6 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation - 6:00 p.m. 7 Tallinn, Estonia 7:00 a.m. 1:00 p.m. 8 Gdynia (Gdansk), Poland 9:00 a.m. 6:00 p.m. 9 At Sea – – 10 Oslo, Norway 7:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m. 11 Copenhagen, Denmark 5:00 am
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe.
More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
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Copenhagen – If you like to shop, then shop away. The Orrefors seconds shop has things at totally incredible prices, but of course Orrefors is heavy, so bring an empty suitcase with you. Jensen silver, great beers in the square. The hop on hop off busses are a great deal, and stop at the dock, and the canal trip is good too. I love that city. Sweden – Hey, another chance at a canal trip. We just walked through the city on our own, great outdoor restaurants for lunch, we ended up in a mexican italian place. Way better then you would think, a beautiful outdoor lunch. Helsinki – Didn’t really impress us all that much, grab one of the ships tours to see something that interests you. St Petersburg – If you are not going out on your own here, or getting a guide, then stack as many ships tours as you can. We did three the first day and two the second. We were a bit tired for the ballet the first night, but it was still lots of fun. Believe it or not, this was the only city in the baltics we didn’t have to change any money in. You have to get to as many of the majors as you can, it’s a once in a lifetime trip. Tallinn we loved. It’s a really small place, so everything is walkable, the people great, and everything is so old. There are a couple of crafts markets there with some very good textiles and glassware, and the prices are really good. Dollars or whatever their currency was were accepted without any hassles at all, sometimes a vendor would ask if it was OK to give us dollars in change, etc. Some of the hand painted fabrics like the ties are very cool indeed. Oslo – The sculpture park is fairly amazing, but you don’t have to take the ships tour, grab the trolley and it brings you right to the park. There is also a museum across the street from the sculpture park that is great, shows how many of them were case, what the thought process was, etc. One of the best foods we have ever had was when the shrimp boats come in at Oslo around noon (funny how that works). They steam up the varmints on the way in, and sell them by the liter. Grab a liter, head over to a seat along the dicks, and have some incredible shrimp. Toss the heads to one of the many seagulls sitting around waiting for you to toss them a shrimp head. Check what days you will be in Copenhagen, I believe the museums are free on Sundays.
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More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
Actually, that depends on whether you’re on the surface or on the bottom. http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/Articles/1999/baltic2.htm — Asya Kamsky "To forgive is an act of compassion. It is not done because people deserve it, it’s done because they need it." — Rupert Giles.
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe. More trivia - The Baltic Sea is fresh as opposed to salt water.
Actually, if you had to pick one, you’d have to say the Baltic is "salt water". The marine life is entirely salt water species, afaik — they catch herring and shrimp there, for instance. There is a clear salinity gradient from the almost oceanic conditions in the northern Kattegat to the almost freshwater conditions in the northern Bothnian Bay and the eastern extension (don’t know the name of it), and another vertical gradient between the lower saltier layer and the upper fresher gradient. There is also a time factor, as rare influxes of North Sea water (every 20 years or so) raise the salinity and, in fact, prevent the Baltic from turning into a freshwater lake/estuary. You might call much of the Baltic "brackish" like the Black Sea and some estuaries in Florida, but there aren’t any "brackish water" fish and mollusks. We used to go fishing for "gator trout" in Florida, a specialized low-salinity trout, both large and tasty! Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." — Abraham Lincoln
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Cruising the Baltic’s for the first time on July 28th next year on the Grand. We were wondering if anyone had any advice on the ports. Neither one of us have ever been to Europe.
Prepare yourself for a treat! But also be prepared for high prices in the Scandinavian countries. 1 Copenhagen, Denmark
There is tons to do. Just walk around in the main pedestrianized area. Make sure to see the Little Mermaid and the Tivoli — a nice place to be around sunset. No need to pay for excursions. There is a terrific free publication available onthe buses, something like Copenhagen Today, which is all you need to plan your day. It has good maps, attraction locations, etc. The palaces are quite interesting if you like that sort of thing. 3 Nynashamn (Stockholm), Sweden 7:00 a.m. 5:30
I love Stockholm — it is just so beautiful. Again, a good place to walk around. The ship museums are fun. No need to pay for excursions. 4 Helsinki, Finland 8:30 a.m. 6:00 p.m.
I don’t know too much about it — I have spent like three hours there, just walking around. It’s a small city and easy to navigate. The language is impossible but a lot of people speak English. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. -
Russia requires an expensive visa, which is also a pain to get. Your only alternative — and one you will want to take, — is to hire a guide service with a visa waiver, i.e. you won’t need a visa as long as the guide is with you. All ship excursions are on this program, and also there are independent operators such as "Red October"which provide better service at half the price. You will definitely want to visit the Hermitage and one of the palaces outside of the city (Peterhof or Catherine’s Palace). There is so much to see, you really should get a book and decide, or else just ask Red October to put together a good tour for you. In other words, this is the one stop where you really need to do some extensive advance planning, or else you can pay the exhorbitant prices for cruiseline excursions. 7 Tallinn, Estonia 7:00 a.m. 1:00 p.m.
This is the best place for shopping — sweaters, amber etc. will cost you a lot less than in Sweden or Norway. You will spend the day inthe old city, without doubt, which is a lot of fun. Again, no need for an excursion — you should have a free shuttle, just ride it to the Old City and get off, and get a free map. 10 Oslo, Norway 7:00 a.m. 2:00 p.m.
Wonderful city but really REALLY expensive, even worse then Sweden and Denmark. I suggest that you visit the Folk Museum here (or if not, in Stockholm or Helsinki, which also have them). These are outdoor areas where they have reconstructed old buildings from various time periods all over the country. The statuary park and the Viking ship museum are also excellent. Both the Folk Museum and the Viking museum are across the harbor, which requires an inexpensive and fun ferry trip. The Scandanavian countries have a remarkable degree of English fluency — not only do a majority of the people speak English, they speak it WELL — and also the old city in Talinn. In Russia and Poland, English is much much less common. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." — Abraham Lincoln
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It’s only $100, and once you have all your paperwork from the cruise line it’s a piece of cake to get. I don’t like you have to give up your passport to get one now (you didn’t a few years ago, just a copy of the information page) so I would pay the extra $50 or $70 to use a visa service if your consulate doesn’t allow walk ins.
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Grab a liter, head over to a seat along the dicks, and have some
incredible shrimp. Gee, I can’t believe you said such a thing about the locals
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Spell checker run amuck, of course I meant docks, good catch. Probably lots of troll points in that one. The shrimp[ is still the best I’ve ever had.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s only $100, and once you have all your paperwork from the cruise line it’s a piece of cake to get. I don’t like you have to give up your passport to get one now (you didn’t a few years ago, just a copy of the information page) so I would pay the extra $50 or $70 to use a visa service if your consulate doesn’t allow walk ins. 5 St. Petersburg, Russian Federation 6:30 a.m. - Russia requires an expensive visa, which is also a pain to get. Your only alternative — and one you will want to take, —
Definitely get the visa for St. Petersburg. I had thought based on my investigation, you have to have a letter of sponsorship from a Russian national, there are private tour groups that offer this. My biggest gripe about St. Petersburg was being in an industrial dock some 15mins drive from the city center, through some very drab neighborhoods. Most of the tours were 1/2 day. You can rent a guide and car for $500.00/day (seem to remember that price). Copenhagen, Helsinki, and Stockholm are wonderful cities, clean and easy to get around, everyone was very friendly, felt very safe, and signs in English. I was a little underwhelmed with Tivoli, after all the hype we had heard. It was a pleasant evening though. Ship was close to city center in each case. Little mermaid (Loreli) is gone, destroyed by a storm (thinks). Will probaly get replaced with something identical. Tallin (old town) is easily seen in 3 hours, including getting too and from the ship. Do a google search, coz previous poster visited Gdansk and had a wonderful time. –mikeb
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Who the fuck is calling out Queenie a troll, and why should I care about such a low life. Please answer: 1) mentioning your first/maiden name 2) family name, if available. 3) You work place, if not unemployed 4) Your first involvement with the Flonk, mentioning whenever being flonked the first time.
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Every thread like this gets multiple replies. It reminds me of when I lived in a small town with one radio station. They had a daily call-in show with no tape delay. A few times a year some one would start cursing and would be cut off. The host would apologize to the audience and say that the best way to deal was those call was to ignore them. This was followed by multiple listeners calling up to agree that you must ignore them because they only want attention. — To reply via e-mail please delete "NOSPAM" from address.
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p0p muzik
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"-=john van gurp=-" wrote Talkin’ ’bout
Iko….!
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shouldn’t that be grandmaS? one of mine is dead…emphysema.. the other one is 92….crotchety..she has a walking stick made of a gnarled piece of wood, she owns a ventriloquists dummy and used to hide it in "the forbidden cupboard" just to give us a scare when we stayed on her farm.. 10 kids, what an amazing woman. Amazing painter, sculptor, textiles artist. ceramicist. my inspiration.
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|| Talkin’ ’bout | | | shouldn’t that be grandmaS? | one of mine is dead…emphysema.. | the other one is 92….crotchety..she has a walking stick made of a | gnarled piece of wood, she owns a ventriloquists dummy and used to | hide it in "the forbidden cupboard" just to give us a scare when we | stayed on her farm.. 10 kids, what an amazing woman. Amazing painter, | sculptor, textiles artist. ceramicist. | my inspiration. My grandma will be 91 in September. Shes still kickin… with a walker of course.. but still kickin
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By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" Talkin’ ’bout Hey now Hey now Iko iko an nay Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay Look at my king all dressed in red Iko iko an nay I bet you five dollars he’ll kill you dead Jockomo feena nay CHORUS: Talkin’ ’bout Hey now (hey now) Hey now (hey now) Iko iko an nay (whoah-oh) Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay My flag boy and your flag boy Sitting by the fire My flag boy says to your flag boy "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" (CHORUS) (bridge) (hey now) (hey now) (hey now) (hey now) Jockomo feena nay Iko! See that guy all dressed in green Iko iko an nay He’s not a man, he’s a loving machine Jockomo feena nay (4x) Talkin’ ’bout Hey now (hey now) Hey now (hey now) Iko iko an nay (whoah-oh) Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay (repeat till fading end) Jockomo feena nay
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"-=john van gurp=-" < By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire"
Loved this song. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it! Paula
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"Paula" wrote Loved this song.
Me, too. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it!
Me, neither. JEF. (all dressed in green…)
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"-=john van gurp=-" < By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" Loved this song. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it! Paula
This helps a widdle bit: According to Dr John in the liner notes to his 1972 album "Gumbo": "The song was written and recorded back in the early 1950s by a New Orleans singer named James Crawford who worked under the name of Sugar Boy & the Cane Cutters. It was recorded in the 1960s by the Dixie Cups for Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller’s Red Bird label, but the format we’re following here is Sugar Boy’s original. Also in the group were Professor Longhair on piano, Jake Myles, Big Boy Myles, Irv Bannister on guitar, and Eugene ‘Bones’ Jones on drums. The group was also known as the Chipaka Shaweez. The song was originally called ‘Jockamo,’ and it has a lot of Creole patois in it. Jockamo means ‘jester’ in the old myth."
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"-=john van gurp=-" wrote Talkin’ ’bout
Iko….!
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Talkin’ ’bout
shouldn’t that be grandmaS? one of mine is dead…emphysema.. the other one is 92….crotchety..she has a walking stick made of a gnarled piece of wood, she owns a ventriloquists dummy and used to hide it in "the forbidden cupboard" just to give us a scare when we stayed on her farm.. 10 kids, what an amazing woman. Amazing painter, sculptor, textiles artist. ceramicist. my inspiration.
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|| Talkin’ ’bout | | | shouldn’t that be grandmaS? | one of mine is dead…emphysema.. | the other one is 92….crotchety..she has a walking stick made of a | gnarled piece of wood, she owns a ventriloquists dummy and used to | hide it in "the forbidden cupboard" just to give us a scare when we | stayed on her farm.. 10 kids, what an amazing woman. Amazing painter, | sculptor, textiles artist. ceramicist. | my inspiration. My grandma will be 91 in September. Shes still kickin… with a walker of course.. but still kickin
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By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" Talkin’ ’bout Hey now Hey now Iko iko an nay Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay Look at my king all dressed in red Iko iko an nay I bet you five dollars he’ll kill you dead Jockomo feena nay CHORUS: Talkin’ ’bout Hey now (hey now) Hey now (hey now) Iko iko an nay (whoah-oh) Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay My flag boy and your flag boy Sitting by the fire My flag boy says to your flag boy "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" (CHORUS) (bridge) (hey now) (hey now) (hey now) (hey now) Jockomo feena nay Iko! See that guy all dressed in green Iko iko an nay He’s not a man, he’s a loving machine Jockomo feena nay (4x) Talkin’ ’bout Hey now (hey now) Hey now (hey now) Iko iko an nay (whoah-oh) Jockomo feena ah na nay Jockomo feena nay (repeat till fading end) Jockomo feena nay
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"-=john van gurp=-" < By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire"
Loved this song. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it! Paula
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"Paula" wrote Loved this song.
Me, too. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it!
Me, neither. JEF. (all dressed in green…)
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"-=john van gurp=-" < By the Dixie Cups My grandma and your grandma Sitting by the fire My grandma says to your grandma "I’m gonna set your flag on fire" Loved this song. Never made any sense to me at all, but I loved it! Paula
This helps a widdle bit: According to Dr John in the liner notes to his 1972 album "Gumbo": "The song was written and recorded back in the early 1950s by a New Orleans singer named James Crawford who worked under the name of Sugar Boy & the Cane Cutters. It was recorded in the 1960s by the Dixie Cups for Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller’s Red Bird label, but the format we’re following here is Sugar Boy’s original. Also in the group were Professor Longhair on piano, Jake Myles, Big Boy Myles, Irv Bannister on guitar, and Eugene ‘Bones’ Jones on drums. The group was also known as the Chipaka Shaweez. The song was originally called ‘Jockamo,’ and it has a lot of Creole patois in it. Jockamo means ‘jester’ in the old myth."
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ok i see where you come from on this!! no problems then!!! i forgot to remember that people could like some policies but not have to agree with them all. bobD since you dont smoke peace pipe pot,, i could sub in some tobacco just once!!! "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:0VCdnV6DpYRIEImiXTWJkA@gbronline.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:8IYQa.439416$ro6.10605260@news2.calgary.shaw.ca… > > "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com> wrote in message > > news:iHadnaqaCMtnTY6iXTWJjw@gbronline.com… > > Im not privy to any direct > > > quotes from the President in regard to Canadian pot, so I cant say > > anything > > > on that issue. > > i quoted directly from john walters daily lies to the canadian people on > his > > recent trip, do a google search and privy yourself to it, then answer my > > question, in the same way you supported bush in the iraq discussion with > > micheal, > I cant defend a policy I dont agree with. Pot should be legal for medical > use. How can I defend anything that gets in the way of that? > > One good thing though, will all of the cross-boarder trade > > > being shut down, canada should have a massive surpluse of cheap, high > > grade, > > > and readily available pot for its users. > > > Youll have a pot glut. Sounds like a time to party. > > this is true,, the prices for the best grade marijuana have plummeted,, > and > > this is good for me and others. > > Sovereignty ends at > > > the border. Just make sure to keep those terrorists stoned, thats all I > > > ask. > > what??,, ok sure,, > Theres a news story running the rounds about potential terrorists coming in > from Canada. Thus the glib remark. > > then remember who took out the towers on 911 !! your own > > terrorists did it,, but you all blamed canada immediately,, how nice,, > then > > 6 months later your great country sent out new green cards to all the DEAD > > TERRORIST !!! hahahahahoo funny shit!!! > Bloated beaurocracy that needs to be fine-tuned and cut down to size for far > too long. Did you know that in the US, that if a illegal is caught drunk > driving that law enforcement cant even notify INS, much less turn him over? > The wacko-lib-left are destroying our nation piece by piece. > > so dont talk about terrorist commin from canada to your country,, when > you > > have a problem with taking care of the ones you already have,, > Weve got big problems. Did you know under the wacko-lefts rules that not > ONE of the terrorists could have been stopped for having bad papers if they > had been pulled over and identified as illegals? Its a sad state of > affairs. > > your heroine and cocaine comes into canada and kills more people than any > > terrorist who came from canada to the usa so far!!! > We dont grow either one. Sorry. Maybe work on your borders like were > doing. > > the fact remains,, address the fact the usa is imposing its moral > political > > values on my country based on power greed and money, not actual protection > > or caring for usa people.?/ > > bobD > I dont disagree, so why are you asking me to defend it? Im sure the ones > doing the direct negotiating actually believe what theyre saying… but > there are much more powerful sources behind things in this regard. Hell, > the cotton industry is one. Timber another, tobacco, alcohol, textiles in > general, the pharms… all of them want pot to remain illegal. And theyll > do anything to keep it that way. Its purely a business decision for them. > Rob
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Joetta Bragg wrote: > Ummm… the majority of us didn’t vote for him the first > time. Will it matter?
Thanks, but I’d like to maintain the illusion that it might … at least for a little while. I’m not quite ready for THAT truth, yet. 
KKT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "KT" <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote in message news:3F134982.3CC99138@adfa.com… > > Bob Davidson wrote: > > > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans > > > are gonna vote for this idiot again? > > Doesn’t that depend on how many people can be purged from the voting > > rolls, and how many people vote with electronic gadgets where the > > manufacturers refuse to release the programming code or have a paper > > trail that can be audited? > > Kathie
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*shiver* Scary thoughts indeed………. Tee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<show…@ev1.net> wrote in message news:vh6s2v3ht9dk4a@corp.supernews.com… > KT <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote: > >Bob Davidson wrote: > >> i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans > >> are gonna vote for this idiot again? > >snip ——sad to say, prob enough to make him a lame duck > hugs > Vince
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"Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:2tHQa.460986$Vi5.11933764@news1.calgary.shaw.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message > news:bevc8p02d9j@enews2.newsguy.com… > > Like… > > …Wonders of Mental Deficiency? > > ((U)) > > M > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans are gonna vote > for this idiot again? > rob?- explain how marijuana goes from being 10 times more potent than the > 70’s to 300 times more potent in one week!! based on prime usa intelligence > delivered by trusted drug czar john walters.?? based on what scientific > evidence? > none,, based on a failed attempt to lie to another sovereign country’s > people, to get that country to stop its intended method of treating its own > sick suffering citizens, because that treatment will prove that the usa > government is lying to its own people and the world, and it will show the > usa policy toward marijuana is unjust,untrue,unrelieble,unintelligent., not > based on any facts, > please explain away your president’s, drug czar’s open lieing in public? > when he was at his wits end during questioning,, and had no answer, but get > mad and make another bold lie on camera,, i will repeat it for you to > consider,, he said, when told of his exploding responses to marijuana’s > potency over the 70’s,from 10x to 300 times, and how that is impossible and > where did he get his facts and evidence to make these statements,, > "it doesn;t matter what the number is, it makes users crazy anywayz!!!!" > bablings of a confused fuckwad!!!! caught in his own lie,, no alternative > but to start killing everyone so there are no witnesses!!!! > you government is full of shit,,and all we heard in canada during walter’s > cross cou8ntry trip was lie after lie after lie,, in a desperate attempt to > get canada to not prescribe legal medical pot to our people, > fuck you i say to that kind of fucking harassment of ME!!! > do you get that rob!!!?? he is harassing me directly. making lies up to > affect me directly. ME not saddam hussein in some far off country,, but ME > right here in my house!!!! it is disgusting and offensive, to me what your > government is doing to keep ME from my medication ! CHOOSE of free will to > take. > you want to live in a totalitarian society where big brother imposes > whatever it feels works good for it, on you,, well thats fine with me,, but > the moment your country inserts its assface into canada to harass our sick > people, it time to fight !!! > that is just pure NAZI,COMMI,FASCIST bullshit, no way do you ever do that > to another sovereign nation. > it is our HEALTHCARE, not yours to decide what is right,, how pompously > arrogant!!! > it just infuriates me, i cant stand it,, > there had better not be anyone here who supports what john walters is doing > when he comes to my country to screw with me personally,, cause this is > personal to me,, if you agree with his actions toward another sovereign > countries right to treat its own sick people, then i will challenge you to > answer a few questions. > dont be funny here i am dead effin serious on this topic. > you can close your friggin border just fine by me,, but when it comes to > fucking with me and how my government allows me to be medically treated > ,then this becomes war. > bobD :^)
Dont hold back, tell me how you really feal. Im not privy to any direct quotes from the President in regard to Canadian pot, so I cant say anything on that issue. One good thing though, will all of the cross-boarder trade being shut down, canada should have a massive surpluse of cheap, high grade, and readily available pot for its users. Youll have a pot glut. Sounds like a time to party. Sovereignty ends at the border. Just make sure to keep those terrorists stoned, thats all I ask. ROb
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"Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Iw0Ra.440777$ro6.10620731@news2.calgary.shaw.ca… > ok i see where you come from on this!! no problems then!!! > i forgot to remember that people could like some policies but not have to > agree with them all. > bobD > since you dont smoke peace pipe pot,, i could sub in some tobacco just > once!!!
Im independant on each and every issue. I could be classified as fiscally conservative, socially liberal, (to an extent) and fiercely independatn. I like guns, the military, concerts, booze, parties, proper financial dealings, lesbians, flowers, fruits and veggies… cant stand the idea of re-defining marriage when co-habitation will do. (or whatever they want to call it) I like the idea of families. Of all makes and stripes. Flat, fat, straight or gay… I dont care. I love the feeling of getting stoned, for all of the 15 minutes that it lasts until I turn sheet white and start blowing chunks on my hard wood floor. (makes an awefull sound) I examine each issue and understand that what my parents taught me is true… that if you meet two people who agree on "everything", run like hell cause youve met the two dumbest people on earth. I dont like the wacko-lib-left as theyve destroyed the democratic party. Third term abortions, with caveats, should be illegal, but Ive marched on a states capital, slept under its "liberty bell" for two nights, been on CNN for pro-choice. Were products of our environment. And I talk (type) too damn much. So, Im no Bush apologist, but I do speak up for what things of his I do believe in. Just as I would have for Clinton. depending on issue. Rob (I can handle special tea though.)
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"Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message <news:vh6aj6k4bh5968@corp.supernews.com>… > not his personal intelligence, mind you. lol > hugs,Vince
This needed an OT in the subject line.
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What? Couldn’t you tell from the subject line that it was OT? <thud> Tee "Kip King" <wodi…@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Tee" <dsgnwo…@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message <news:bf2s41$akcmn$1@ID-82912.news.uni-berlin.de>… > What? Couldn’t you tell from the subject line that it was OT? > <thud> > Tee > "Kip King" <wodi…@cox.net> wrote in message > news:cbfe67b5.0307152223.47d14000@posting.google.com… > > "Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message > <news:vh6aj6k4bh5968@corp.supernews.com>… > > > not his personal intelligence, mind you. lol > > > hugs,Vince > > This needed an OT in the subject line.
I can, but some people have programs that delete off topic posts based on an OT in the subject line.
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"Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message <news:2tHQa.460986$Vi5.11933764@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>… > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans are gonna vote > for this idiot again?
none of the 3 americans in this house are going to vote for him — but none of us did the first time around either, so most likely our votes won’t make any diff one way or the other. rose
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"synaptic misfire" <synapticmisf…@excite.com> wrote in message
news:vh6lcmdoob2k53@corp.supernews.com… . I predict, however, that will > change within about 10 years, as baby boomers (most of whom smoked pot > during their formative years) become the dominant voting bloc. Senior > citizens comprise the largest voting demographic, and the current older > generation still believes the "gateway drug theory" crap. But that’s just > my humble opinion.
wow!! i thought the same thing years ago,, that when people my age with my similar ideology started to take over positions of political authority ,things would change. and that is true, it is working this way,, the more older our ‘hip’ generation gets, the more tolerant and sensible the politics gets,, looking at recent north american descisions concerning the rights of same sex couples. before 1982 in canada homosexuality was illegal,, also before 1982(the year canada got its idependence from england,with our own charter), raping your wife was ‘legal’,, it stated in law , (who is NOT your wife) defining what woman could be raped!!, a man could not be charged with raping his wife. i think like you said as time goes by and old people die off, as we get old,, the tolerance levels in society will change. bobD ps- but there will still be politicians who lie to us for their agenda’s – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> chris
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"Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:iHadnaqaCMtnTY6iXTWJjw@gbronline.com… Im not privy to any direct > quotes from the President in regard to Canadian pot, so I cant say anything > on that issue.
i quoted directly from john walters daily lies to the canadian people on his recent trip, do a google search and privy yourself to it, then answer my question, in the same way you supported bush in the iraq discussion with micheal, One good thing though, will all of the cross-boarder trade > being shut down, canada should have a massive surpluse of cheap, high grade, > and readily available pot for its users. > Youll have a pot glut. Sounds like a time to party.
this is true,, the prices for the best grade marijuana have plummeted,, and this is good for me and others. Sovereignty ends at > the border. Just make sure to keep those terrorists stoned, thats all I > ask.
what??,, ok sure,, then remember who took out the towers on 911 !! your own terrorists did it,, but you all blamed canada immediately,, how nice,, then 6 months later your great country sent out new green cards to all the DEAD TERRORIST !!! hahahahahoo funny shit!!! so dont talk about terrorist commin from canada to your country,, when you have a problem with taking care of the ones you already have,, your heroine and cocaine comes into canada and kills more people than any terrorist who came from canada to the usa so far!!! the fact remains,, address the fact the usa is imposing its moral political values on my country based on power greed and money, not actual protection or caring for usa people.?/ bobD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ROb
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your votes sure will make a difference,,rose!!!! not like my vote in bc for federal elections,, after the voting is over when each province hits 8pm, the fed election is decided in ontario,, it is over by then,, there is not enough population out west to sway the election even if we all voted exactly the same. bobD but i still vote anywho!! "rose dawn scott" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cac53056.0307150550.2684b6a5@posting.google.com… > "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
<news:2tHQa.460986$Vi5.11933764@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans are gonna vote > > for this idiot again? > none of the 3 americans in this house are going to vote for him — but > none of us did the first time around either, so most likely our votes > won’t make any diff one way or the other. > rose
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"Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:8IYQa.439416$ro6.10605260@news2.calgary.shaw.ca… > "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com> wrote in message > news:iHadnaqaCMtnTY6iXTWJjw@gbronline.com… > Im not privy to any direct > > quotes from the President in regard to Canadian pot, so I cant say > anything > > on that issue. > i quoted directly from john walters daily lies to the canadian people on his > recent trip, do a google search and privy yourself to it, then answer my > question, in the same way you supported bush in the iraq discussion with > micheal,
I cant defend a policy I dont agree with. Pot should be legal for medical use. How can I defend anything that gets in the way of that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One good thing though, will all of the cross-boarder trade > > being shut down, canada should have a massive surpluse of cheap, high > grade, > > and readily available pot for its users. > > Youll have a pot glut. Sounds like a time to party. > this is true,, the prices for the best grade marijuana have plummeted,, and > this is good for me and others. > Sovereignty ends at > > the border. Just make sure to keep those terrorists stoned, thats all I > > ask. > what??,, ok sure,,
Theres a news story running the rounds about potential terrorists coming in from Canada. Thus the glib remark. > then remember who took out the towers on 911 !! your own > terrorists did it,, but you all blamed canada immediately,, how nice,, then > 6 months later your great country sent out new green cards to all the DEAD > TERRORIST !!! hahahahahoo funny shit!!!
Bloated beaurocracy that needs to be fine-tuned and cut down to size for far too long. Did you know that in the US, that if a illegal is caught drunk driving that law enforcement cant even notify INS, much less turn him over? The wacko-lib-left are destroying our nation piece by piece. > so dont talk about terrorist commin from canada to your country,, when you > have a problem with taking care of the ones you already have,,
Weve got big problems. Did you know under the wacko-lefts rules that not ONE of the terrorists could have been stopped for having bad papers if they had been pulled over and identified as illegals? Its a sad state of affairs. > your heroine and cocaine comes into canada and kills more people than any > terrorist who came from canada to the usa so far!!!
We dont grow either one. Sorry. Maybe work on your borders like were doing. > the fact remains,, address the fact the usa is imposing its moral political > values on my country based on power greed and money, not actual protection > or caring for usa people.?/ > bobD
I dont disagree, so why are you asking me to defend it? Im sure the ones doing the direct negotiating actually believe what theyre saying… but there are much more powerful sources behind things in this regard. Hell, the cotton industry is one. Timber another, tobacco, alcohol, textiles in general, the pharms… all of them want pot to remain illegal. And theyll do anything to keep it that way. Its purely a business decision for them. Rob
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Bob Davidson wrote: > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans > are gonna vote for this idiot again?
Doesn’t that depend on how many people can be purged from the voting rolls, and how many people vote with electronic gadgets where the manufacturers refuse to release the programming code or have a paper trail that can be audited? Kathie
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"Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:2tHQa.460986$Vi5.11933764@news1.calgary.shaw.ca… > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans are gonna vote > for this idiot again?
This is one American that won’t be fooled again. And if you look at the recent polls, W’s popularity is dropping like a rock. Hopefully, by election day, most people will recognize the emperor has no clothes. You can surround an idiot by very smart people, but at the end of the day he is still an idiot. BTW, the US’s "war on drugs" was waged during the Clinton years, too. I agree that Walters is a dogmatic automaton, but he is spouting the same crap that all the drug czars before him have spouted . For some reason, most politicians on both sides of the aisle (on the federal level, at least) are terrified of taking a reasonable stand on decriminalization of any kind. Even Clinton was afraid to admit he inhaled. I predict, however, that will change within about 10 years, as baby boomers (most of whom smoked pot during their formative years) become the dominant voting bloc. Senior citizens comprise the largest voting demographic, and the current older generation still believes the "gateway drug theory" crap. But that’s just my humble opinion. chris
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in article vh6lcmdoob2…@corp.supernews.com, synaptic misfire said: > W’s popularity is dropping like a rock.
Yeah, it’s all the way down to 53%. I think we have a ways to go before the country disapproves of him more than they disapprove of a Democratic candidate. > the current older > generation still believes the "gateway drug theory" crap.
So do I, maybe. I’ve seen it happen too many times to reject the entire concept out of hand, and I think anyone who’s absolutely certain it’s crap is… optimistic. But the stuff should probably still be legal, just because making it illegal doesn’t seem to accomplish much. Keith http://www.woollymammoth.com/keith
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<snort> – Lynne "Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message
news:bevc8p02d9j@enews2.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Like… > …Wonders of Mental Deficiency? > ((U)) > M > Lynne wrote: > > Some things are just indefensible. > > – Lynne > > "Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message > > news:vh6aj6k4bh5968@corp.supernews.com… > >> not his personal intelligence, mind you. lol > >> hugs,Vince
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KT <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote: >Bob Davidson wrote: >> i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans >> are gonna vote for this idiot again? >snip ——sad to say, prob enough to make him a lame duck
hugs Vince
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Keith Snyder <ke…@woollymammoth.com> wrote: >in article vh6lcmdoob2…@corp.supernews.com, synaptic misfire said: >> W’s popularity is dropping like a rock. >Yeah, it’s all the way down to 53%. I think we have a ways to go before the >country disapproves of him more than they disapprove of a Democratic >candidate. >> the current older >> generation still believes the "gateway drug theory" crap. >So do I, maybe. I’ve seen it happen too many times to reject the entire >concept out of hand, and I think anyone who’s absolutely certain it’s crap >is… optimistic. But the stuff should probably still be legal, just >because making it illegal doesn’t seem to accomplish much. >Keith >http://www.woollymammoth.com/keith
I used to work with this very conservative very Republican guy who thought the the tobacco farmers should grow low yield tetrahydrocannabinol (psychoactive component) marijuana instead of tobacco as a cash crop. He also opined about the Chicken house or La Grange–go figure. what no man knows, the Shadow knows buuuuhahahaaaa Vince
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Ummm… the majority of us didn’t vote for him the first time. Will it matter? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"KT" <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote in message news:3F134982.3CC99138@adfa.com… > Bob Davidson wrote: > > i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans > > are gonna vote for this idiot again? > Doesn’t that depend on how many people can be purged from the voting > rolls, and how many people vote with electronic gadgets where the > manufacturers refuse to release the programming code or have a paper > trail that can be audited? > Kathie
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Like… …Wonders of Mental Deficiency? ((U)) M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lynne wrote: > Some things are just indefensible. > – Lynne > "Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message > news:vh6aj6k4bh5968@corp.supernews.com… >> not his personal intelligence, mind you. lol >> hugs,Vince
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"Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message
news:bevc8p02d9j@enews2.newsguy.com… > Like… > …Wonders of Mental Deficiency? > ((U)) > M
i wonder about the next usa election,, how many americans are gonna vote for this idiot again? rob?- explain how marijuana goes from being 10 times more potent than the 70’s to 300 times more potent in one week!! based on prime usa intelligence delivered by trusted drug czar john walters.?? based on what scientific evidence? none,, based on a failed attempt to lie to another sovereign country’s people, to get that country to stop its intended method of treating its own sick suffering citizens, because that treatment will prove that the usa government is lying to its own people and the world, and it will show the usa policy toward marijuana is unjust,untrue,unrelieble,unintelligent., not based on any facts, please explain away your president’s, drug czar’s open lieing in public? when he was at his wits end during questioning,, and had no answer, but get mad and make another bold lie on camera,, i will repeat it for you to consider,, he said, when told of his exploding responses to marijuana’s potency over the 70’s,from 10x to 300 times, and how that is impossible and where did he get his facts and evidence to make these statements,, "it doesn;t matter what the number is, it makes users crazy anywayz!!!!" bablings of a confused fuckwad!!!! caught in his own lie,, no alternative but to start killing everyone so there are no witnesses!!!! you government is full of shit,,and all we heard in canada during walter’s cross cou8ntry trip was lie after lie after lie,, in a desperate attempt to get canada to not prescribe legal medical pot to our people, fuck you i say to that kind of fucking harassment of ME!!! do you get that rob!!!?? he is harassing me directly. making lies up to affect me directly. ME not saddam hussein in some far off country,, but ME right here in my house!!!! it is disgusting and offensive, to me what your government is doing to keep ME from my medication ! CHOOSE of free will to take. you want to live in a totalitarian society where big brother imposes whatever it feels works good for it, on you,, well thats fine with me,, but the moment your country inserts its assface into canada to harass our sick people, it time to fight !!! that is just pure NAZI,COMMI,FASCIST bullshit, no way do you ever do that to another sovereign nation. it is our HEALTHCARE, not yours to decide what is right,, how pompously arrogant!!! it just infuriates me, i cant stand it,, there had better not be anyone here who supports what john walters is doing when he comes to my country to screw with me personally,, cause this is personal to me,, if you agree with his actions toward another sovereign countries right to treat its own sick people, then i will challenge you to answer a few questions. dont be funny here i am dead effin serious on this topic. you can close your friggin border just fine by me,, but when it comes to fucking with me and how my government allows me to be medically treated ,then this becomes war. bobD :^)
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LOL..good catch Vince.. "Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Some things are just indefensible. – Lynne "Vince" <show…@ev1.net> wrote in message
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not his personal intelligence, mind you. lol hugs,Vince
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