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hi, Is there any onine shop to purchase Titanium Dioxide TiO2 P 25 Degussa.Please send me the lik. Thanks, Asad
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hi, Is there any onine shop to purchase Titanium Dioxide TiO2 P 25 Degussa.Please send me the lik. Thanks, Asad Hmm, Some one will be knocking at your door soon. Tony
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Hi, Thanks much for your reply. Here I require TiO2 P 25 that is manufactured my Degussa but they do not have any selling corner in their sile and I am search another location. I know it is also use in paper, paint, textile industry. But it is special for that I am searching. Thanks, Asad
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Try sci.chem – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Thanks much for your reply. Here I require TiO2 P 25 that is manufactured my Degussa but they do not have any selling corner in their sile and I am search another location. I know it is also use in paper, paint, textile industry. But it is special for that I am searching. Thanks, Asad
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Vinyl Record Plant Closing Last Update: 2/4/2005 11:38:17 AM GLOVERSVILLE, N.Y. (AP) – Universal Music is closing its vinyl record plant here, cutting 112 jobs. Company spokesman Peter Lofrumento declined to discuss the reasons behind the closure. Workers at the plant, which opened in 1964, are responsible for pressing records, printing labels and jackets and shipping product. Universal’s records will be pressed by a third party in the future, Lofrumento said. The first wave of job cuts is scheduled for April 8. The factory will shut down on May 6. "While decisions like these are difficult to make and are not undertaken lightly, they are necessary to meet the many new challenges brought about as the industry continues to rapidly evolve," Lofrumento said. Members of Local 348 of the Union of Needle Trades, Industrial and Textile Employees-Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees learned of the plant shutdown on Thursday. Union district manager Robert Bruse said union and management officials would meet to iron out details about employees’ benefits. Gloversville is 38 miles northwest of Albany.
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Two Killed in Fight Outside Pool Hall Two people were killed and four others were wounded after a fight started at a pool hall and ended in gunfire, authorities said. Jimmy Wetch, owner of Jimmy’s Pro Billiards on Central Avenue, said at least 20 people came in and started fighting with another group of people after 10 p.m. Thursday. He said balls and cue sticks were thrown and the fight spilled outside. Capt. Robert Aldrich, a spokesman for the Anoka County Sheriff’s Department, said two people died in the incident. Their bodies were found behind the pool hall. Allen Olson, who was playing pool at the time, said he saw two groups of people begin arguing. Pool hall employees told them to go outside. "We heard a sound like whoosh," he told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis. "We thought it was glass breaking. But it was gunshots." Olson said he ran outside. "These three guys were standing with guns pulled," he said. He saw one man fall. Two others got in a car and left, he said. At least three of the wounded were taken to Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis. Their conditions were not immediately known. Six people were detained for questioning, but there had been no arrests by midmorning Friday, Aldrich said. He said it appeared a group of Hmong who were at least affiliated with a gang quarreled with a group of people of Tibetan ancestry. Earlier reports said the Tibetans were part of a gang, but Aldrich said further investigation showed they weren’t. "It’s possible they were perceived as a gang by the Hmong contingent in the billiard parlor," he said. He said there was a small, close-knit Tibetan community in the area but there was scant evidence that its members were in engaged in the sort of ongoing criminal activity that would make police consider them a gang. Ron Ryan, commander of the Minnesota Gang Strike Force, said some officers from his group were assisting the investigation. While at least one of the Hmong involved was known to the strike force, he doubted the Tibetans were part of a gang. "He have no documented Tibetan people in our system" of gang members, he said. Last Updated: 2/4/2005 1:51:26 PM
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What was that a man power job? Saw the same thing on this coast numerous times. How many Haitians worked at Guild? Then, who dictates the out come? I have an Alverez on my bench. It is the nicest guitar, in terms of workman ship I have see in the under 1,200.00 range in a long time, may be ever. BUT it is made from shit. Crappie plastic, dyed wood, the most shitfull grease packed tuners I have ever tried, a bridge plate that could be balsa wood, unreal! If these folks would work for me, every one would win. Fender hobbled Japan by undermining at least one aspect of their guitars (PUs) Peace Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting concept over the notion that musical equipment manufactured in the US is somehow superior to overseas, particularly Asia. When something is manufactured, it’s assembled in a factory. People who work in a factory are factory workers, plain and simple. These are not artisans or craftspeople. This is not to put them down, this is just what is. In 1975 I spent a summer working in a factory in Long Island that manufactured guitar cases and picks and other accessories for guitar players. I think the name was DeAngelo, or D’Andrea – something like that. My job was to insert the felt cushion strips that go into guitar cases into a glue machine, and then place the strips properly inside cases. There was a certain skill to this, to be sure. The point is, I recall that I was one of few English speaking workers, aside from the foreman and a few other individuals. The same exact factory could exist in any part of the world and I doubt it would be much different. Workers punched in, went to their posts, worked, took breaks, went back to work. Punched out. Just a job in a factory – no noticeable aesthetic appreciation or pride over the fact that they were part of the wonderful world of musical equipment creation. In fact the "help wanted" ad that I responded to made no mention of the nature of the factory. And of course these manufactured goods were authentic "made in USA" items. So, aside from the fact that actual guitar assembly would certainly require more training and skill, than case, strap and pick manufacturing, what do you think is different about an American factory to an Asian factory? What is the superiority? Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers 
Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS for personal replies, email to jeffp at "en why see" dot "ar ar" dot com
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Just got back from a music store where I tried a Jay Turser Srat copy with a Roland Cube30 amp.I thought the guitar was every bit as good as a Yamaha Pacifica strat copy I had tried out.The Yamaha has recieved many good comments from newsgroup members that have treid them. Jon Neet
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Hey man, No problem. You are entitled to your thoughts and you make some good points. I guess I specifically took exception to this line: They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem… Now THAT seemed ethnocentric and arrogant to me. I feel that if the conditions that you outlined in your response are the rule and not the exception, then things aren’t so bad, however exploitation of human beings for our convenience is EVERYBODY’S problem. Take care, Nate
Nate, I’m starting to think I’m a little bipolar…sorry about the sermon…IMHO, as you state it above, your point is valid, responsible and conscientious…it is indeed everybody’s problem…but we needn’t go all the way to China to find people being exploited…just take a look at your drummer Cheers, CS — — The opinions, comments, and advice offered by me, are mine alone. As such, they carry as much weight as a feather in a snow storm. Gear Page at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cybrserf/Gear.htm
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Hey man, No problem. You are entitled to your thoughts and you make some good points. I guess I specifically took exception to this line: They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem…
Now THAT seemed ethnocentric and arrogant to me. I feel that if the conditions that you outlined in your response are the rule and not the exception, then things aren’t so bad, however exploitation of human beings for our convenience is EVERYBODY’S problem. Take care, Nate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS
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That is a perfectly legitimate ideological position, and while I tend to think that the only thing that can combat political regimes is economic prosperity (economic hardship breeds unstable fundamentalist governments, but a properous populace will quickly lead to democracy or even limited egalitarianism (IMHO)), I nevertheless respect your right to your position…but lets not call every labourer in every third world country a victim of sweatshops…Cheap labour is a relative term…it is cheap when compared with our standards, but not when compared to those in the market under discussion…in fact, it may be quite generous and allow for the prosperity necessary for change. Anyway…way OT and my apologies. -CS — — The opinions, comments, and advice offered by me, are mine alone. As such, they carry as much weight as a feather in a snow storm. Gear Page at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cybrserf/Gear.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS I’ve got a bigger problem with the fact that it benefits the Chinese government. Working conditions may improve with time. The quality of Chinese good is improving. But you are still funneling money away from the US into a communist regime. The sad fact is that for the most part, I have given up trying to avoid buying Chinese products. You just don’t have a choice. Open up your computer, and you will find Chinese parts and/or labor. Try buying a pair of athletic shoes that aren’t made in China, it seems like 95% are made there. I used to refuse to buy Chinese, but now it means doing without.
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I’ve played several Jay Tursers.They make a nice acoustic/electric.Also the ES335 copies play really well,as does the big fat jazz boxes they make.I haven’t tried the Telecaster and Stratacaster copies though.I’m still thinking about getting one of their jazz boxes. Jon Neet
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Thanks for the responses & tips, I’ll check them out. I have a (Japanese) 1990 strat, I think it’s called the Floyd Rose Stratocaster. Has a Floyd, HB/S/S pups. It sounds & plays great, but I’m a little burned out on the Floyd. Anyway, I plan to keep it but also get a hollow body. I ‘m just in the research stage of looking. Originally I thought I’d get a thinline Tele, but then I keep seeing all these "real" hollow bodies cheap — like the Epi Wildkat, Ibanez am73T or JT134. A real hollowbody but with 22 frets & you can reach the top fret, & (ideally) a bigsby. I never divebomb anyway, just like to add a little shimmer w/ the bar, y’know? I think it’s hard to get the parts to add a Bigsby to a Tele. Now I’ve looked around a bit more & found the Eastwood Savannah & DiPinto Belvedere. So many choices! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had quite a few of their Les Paul copies. Can’t beat them for the price. They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem, I like the deal I get on their guitars for the specs/quality they maintain. Read the reviews at harmonycentral.com. If you are specifically looking for a 335 hollow-body copy, check out the Aslin-Dane and Springfield 335 clones. Very nice for the $$$, probably a little better quality than the JT’s. Anyone have any experience with Jay Turser guitars? I keep seeing them on eBay, & checked out their website — set neck hollowbody guitars that look really nice for $300-500! Are they really any good? Are they made by underage slave labor? How can they have those features at that price?
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I have a JT138BK (you can see it on the link below). It was originally priced near $800 Cnd, but after playing it four or five times (and not being impressed), I finally bought it for $300. I needed a cheap backup for my Gibson Lucille. It is an ES335 copy with Vine Inlay along the neck. After I took it home, I recut the nut, set the action, tweaked the truss rod and lowered the saddles…in other words, I set it up and now I can say that I am very happy with it. It plays well, with no scratchiness in the electronics. It sounds nice and is exceedingly well built for the price. The inlay is kinda cheesy…tons of filler and the F holes are not bound, but the rest of the guitar is bound (including the neck). In the end, I would highly recommended a Jay Turser, but, as with any lower priced guitar, you’ll likely need to get a setup done…don’t expect the store owner to throw that in (as they might on a pricier instrument), the price points are too small. Cheers, CS — — The opinions, comments, and advice offered by me, are mine alone. As such, they carry as much weight as a feather in a snow storm. Gear Page at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cybrserf/Gear.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any experience with Jay Turser guitars? I keep seeing them on eBay, & checked out their website — set neck hollowbody guitars that look really nice for $300-500! Are they really any good? Are they made by underage slave labor? How can they have those features at that price? I bought my daughter a strat copy off of ebay and she loves the thing. She plays it all the time. I think it is a little on the light side, but that is one of the features she likes about it. Bobby
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They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem, I like the deal I get on their guitars for the specs/quality they maintain.
Yeah, sweat shops are good, just as long as we get cheaper and cheaper stuff here in the States, right?
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Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS — — The opinions, comments, and advice offered by me, are mine alone. As such, they carry as much weight as a feather in a snow storm. Gear Page at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cybrserf/Gear.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem, I like the deal I get on their guitars for the specs/quality they maintain. Yeah, sweat shops are good, just as long as we get cheaper and cheaper stuff here in the States, right?
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OT. American Corporations will always exploit cheap labor where they find it and ‘license it’. That’s why there are no textile companies left in the US. ‘Fruit of the Loom’ left KY for Honduras 4 years ago and no one noticed. Bruce
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS — — The opinions, comments, and advice offered by me, are mine alone. As such, they carry as much weight as a feather in a snow storm. Gear Page at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/cybrserf/Gear.htm They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem, I like the deal I get on their guitars for the specs/quality they maintain. Yeah, sweat shops are good, just as long as we get cheaper and cheaper stuff here in the States, right?
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Interesting concept over the notion that musical equipment manufactured in the US is somehow superior to overseas, particularly Asia. When something is manufactured, it’s assembled in a factory. People who work in a factory are factory workers, plain and simple. These are not artisans or craftspeople. This is not to put them down, this is just what is. In 1975 I spent a summer working in a factory in Long Island that manufactured guitar cases and picks and other accessories for guitar players. I think the name was DeAngelo, or D’Andrea – something like that. My job was to insert the felt cushion strips that go into guitar cases into a glue machine, and then place the strips properly inside cases. There was a certain skill to this, to be sure. The point is, I recall that I was one of few English speaking workers, aside from the foreman and a few other individuals. The same exact factory could exist in any part of the world and I doubt it would be much different. Workers punched in, went to their posts, worked, took breaks, went back to work. Punched out. Just a job in a factory – no noticeable aesthetic appreciation or pride over the fact that they were part of the wonderful world of musical equipment creation. In fact the "help wanted" ad that I responded to made no mention of the nature of the factory. And of course these manufactured goods were authentic "made in USA" items. So, aside from the fact that actual guitar assembly would certainly require more training and skill, than case, strap and pick manufacturing, what do you think is different about an American factory to an Asian factory? What is the superiority? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nate, Don’t take this the wrong way, but… Do you have any idea how ethnocentric that statement sounds…have you visited the Samick Factory in China…do you know what the UN definition of a "sweatshop" is. Look man, they are paid less because they don’t have to spend so much on basic needs such as food and shelter…the cost of living is lower…raw materials are more plentiful and AFAIK, the jobs outside of these "sweatshops" are nonexisitent…so the option is to starve. Plain and simple. While there are undoubtedly some sweatshop situations in Asia (as there are around the globe), not all enterprise from that region are "sweatshops"…in fact, many are clean industries that care about their employees and, like K. Yairi, run their shops like a family, with homes and care provided for all employees. They are working, for the most part, diligently to provide the best craftmanship their "training" can provide, and your snide comments are not only arrogant and ignorant, but also insulting to the large population living and working there. These are professional people, and you insult them by calling them sweatshop labourers. They are trained to use the same CNC machines as those used in US shops, they care just as much about what they produce as the average Joe Jones in Kalamazoo. Global economics however rule. Labour is cheaper in some places than in others. You think the US has no sweatshops…uhm…well, in that case, lets not even get into the Mexican labourer working north of their border to send a little back home…we wouldn’t want to describe them as "SweatShop" labourers now would we…even though they fit the UN criteria quite well…perhaps we should also ignore a good portion of the garment industry in the US and Canada…maybe those Mexicans slaving away in Tilbury Ontario love being marginalized, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it as well. I had a friend spend couple of years in Mexico. He rented a large villa overlooking a small community some 50 km outside of Mexico city (outside the bowl). He paid his maid $25 US per week to clean and cook for him. After the second week, her father came up from the village and demanded to know what he was doing with his daughter…seems he could not believe that she was only cooking and cleaning and making more than he was…and he’d been with the same firm for over 15 years…is she working in a sweatshop, or is he…or, maybe, closer to the truth, neither are….maybe you cannot judge other people by *YOUR* bloody inflated North American sensibilities. Maybe I shouldn’t be writing in this NG after 5 beers Sorry, I’m sure it’s all an over reaction…you probably didn’t deserve my derision, but it does urk me so, Cheers, CS
I’ve got a bigger problem with the fact that it benefits the Chinese government. Working conditions may improve with time. The quality of Chinese good is improving. But you are still funneling money away from the US into a communist regime. The sad fact is that for the most part, I have given up trying to avoid buying Chinese products. You just don’t have a choice. Open up your computer, and you will find Chinese parts and/or labor. Try buying a pair of athletic shoes that aren’t made in China, it seems like 95% are made there. I used to refuse to buy Chinese, but now it means doing without.
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I have had quite a few of their Les Paul copies. Can’t beat them for the price. They are made in China by obviously very cheap labor. That’s not my problem, I like the deal I get on their guitars for the specs/quality they maintain. Read the reviews at harmonycentral.com. If you are specifically looking for a 335 hollow-body copy, check out the Aslin-Dane and Springfield 335 clones. Very nice for the $$$, probably a little better quality than the JT’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any experience with Jay Turser guitars? I keep seeing them on eBay, & checked out their website — set neck hollowbody guitars that look really nice for $300-500! Are they really any good? Are they made by underage slave labor? How can they have those features at that price?
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Anyone have any experience with Jay Turser guitars? I keep seeing them on eBay, & checked out their website — set neck hollowbody guitars that look really nice for $300-500! Are they really any good? Are they made by underage slave labor? How can they have those features at that price?
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Anyone have any experience with Jay Turser guitars? I keep seeing them on eBay, & checked out their website — set neck hollowbody guitars that look really nice for $300-500! Are they really any good? Are they made by underage slave labor? How can they have those features at that price?
I bought my daughter a strat copy off of ebay and she loves the thing. She plays it all the time. I think it is a little on the light side, but that is one of the features she likes about it. Bobby
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If you start from Stresa around 9-ish you could take the cablecar to the nearby mountain (keep forgetting its name).
It is called "Mottarone" IMO this would be the most concentrated and interesting daytrip along the Northern Italian Lakes but YMMV. If you stay a little longer you could take the ferry all the way to Lugano in Switzerland, but that’s another daytrip.
There are no ferries from Lago Maggiore (or Lago di Como) to Lugano simply because Lugano is on another lake (Lago di Lugano or Ceresio – after the old Roman name). You probably meant Locarno which is on the Swiss side of Lago Maggiore. If you want to go to Como – take a stroll in Varenna and have lunch/dinner at the huge penzione/hotel at the ferrystop, good homey 3-dish menus at a reasonable price. Cecilie
Regards Elio
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My partner and I (gay) are trying to find a local guide in Milan area who would be willing to spend a day with us, taking us around one of the lakes in northern Italy. We will pay all expenses, including one or two very nice meals at recommended restaurants. We want someone who is knowledgeable (native preferred) of the lakes and who would provide "inside" information not usually gotten on an organized tour. We want to avoid the typical bus type tour. Any suggestions? Thanks J6505
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My recommendations are perhaps a bit generic, but if you specify your interests the answers from me and others will perhaps be more useful. You can easily do these daytrips without a guide as locals in Northern Italy speak relatively fluently and the written/internet tourist information material is excellent. I’d go to Stresa in Lago Maggiore and have lunch at penzione Firenze (lovely restaurant with a backyard garden and an excellent vitello tonnato – veal with tunasauce), take the small ferry to the Borromeic Islands and St.Catherina monastery. If you start from Stresa around 9-ish you could take the cablecar to the nearby mountain (keep forgetting its name). IMO this would be the most concentrated and interesting daytrip along the Northern Italian Lakes but YMMV. If you stay a little longer you could take the ferry all the way to Lugano in Switzerland, but that’s another daytrip. If you want to go to Como – take a stroll in Varenna and have lunch/dinner at the huge penzione/hotel at the ferrystop, good homey 3-dish menus at a reasonable price. There are probably plenty of better and more posh restaurants in Como town – perhaps someone else can recommend something. If not try mailing the local tourist office. If Lago di Garda is more convenient – do stay in Sirmione and see the huge roman villa on the tip of the small peninsula. Take the ferry & cablecar to Monte Baldo at the eastern brink in the morning, consider continuing to Riva or Limone, but go back to Sirmione in the evening to enjoy a late stroll in Sirmione when all the daytrippers have gone home and have dinner at "Il Grifone", which also has a hotel, but it is rather basic. And if you’re just remotely interested in shopping check out www.torben.com for very good descriptions and directions to the outlets of the high end Itallian textile industry. My husband and I sadly never found the Ermengildo Zegna outlet – there are more addresses in different towns. Cecilie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My partner and I (gay) are trying to find a local guide in Milan area who would be willing to spend a day with us, taking us around one of the lakes in northern Italy. We will pay all expenses, including one or two very nice meals at recommended restaurants. We want someone who is knowledgeable (native preferred) of the lakes and who would provide "inside" information not usually gotten on an organized tour. We want to avoid the typical bus type tour. Any suggestions? Thanks J6505
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My partner and I (gay) are trying to find a local guide in Milan area who would be willing to spend a day with us, taking us around one of the lakes in northern Italy. We will pay all expenses, including one or two very nice meals at recommended restaurants. We want someone who is knowledgeable (native preferred) of the lakes and who would provide "inside" information not usually gotten on an organized tour. We want to avoid the typical bus type tour. Any suggestions? Thanks J6505
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My recommendations are perhaps a bit generic, but if you specify your interests the answers from me and others will perhaps be more useful. You can easily do these daytrips without a guide as locals in Northern Italy speak relatively fluently and the written/internet tourist information material is excellent. I’d go to Stresa in Lago Maggiore and have lunch at penzione Firenze (lovely restaurant with a backyard garden and an excellent vitello tonnato – veal with tunasauce), take the small ferry to the Borromeic Islands and St.Catherina monastery. If you start from Stresa around 9-ish you could take the cablecar to the nearby mountain (keep forgetting its name). IMO this would be the most concentrated and interesting daytrip along the Northern Italian Lakes but YMMV. If you stay a little longer you could take the ferry all the way to Lugano in Switzerland, but that’s another daytrip. If you want to go to Como – take a stroll in Varenna and have lunch/dinner at the huge penzione/hotel at the ferrystop, good homey 3-dish menus at a reasonable price. There are probably plenty of better and more posh restaurants in Como town – perhaps someone else can recommend something. If not try mailing the local tourist office. If Lago di Garda is more convenient – do stay in Sirmione and see the huge roman villa on the tip of the small peninsula. Take the ferry & cablecar to Monte Baldo at the eastern brink in the morning, consider continuing to Riva or Limone, but go back to Sirmione in the evening to enjoy a late stroll in Sirmione when all the daytrippers have gone home and have dinner at "Il Grifone", which also has a hotel, but it is rather basic. And if you’re just remotely interested in shopping check out www.torben.com for very good descriptions and directions to the outlets of the high end Itallian textile industry. My husband and I sadly never found the Ermengildo Zegna outlet – there are more addresses in different towns. Cecilie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My partner and I (gay) are trying to find a local guide in Milan area who would be willing to spend a day with us, taking us around one of the lakes in northern Italy. We will pay all expenses, including one or two very nice meals at recommended restaurants. We want someone who is knowledgeable (native preferred) of the lakes and who would provide "inside" information not usually gotten on an organized tour. We want to avoid the typical bus type tour. Any suggestions? Thanks J6505
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If you start from Stresa around 9-ish you could take the cablecar to the nearby mountain (keep forgetting its name).
It is called "Mottarone" IMO this would be the most concentrated and interesting daytrip along the Northern Italian Lakes but YMMV. If you stay a little longer you could take the ferry all the way to Lugano in Switzerland, but that’s another daytrip.
There are no ferries from Lago Maggiore (or Lago di Como) to Lugano simply because Lugano is on another lake (Lago di Lugano or Ceresio – after the old Roman name). You probably meant Locarno which is on the Swiss side of Lago Maggiore. If you want to go to Como – take a stroll in Varenna and have lunch/dinner at the huge penzione/hotel at the ferrystop, good homey 3-dish menus at a reasonable price. Cecilie
Regards Elio
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Wouldn’t it be a kick if this turns out to be somehow connected to the Skin-CAP name? The cocamidopropyl prefix is the abbreviated CAP trade name of at least one surfactant product using cocamidopropyl dimethylamine propionate.
This was my first thought too. I hope John Kender can contribute some thoughts on this. Best regards,
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I hadn’t made that typo on "note!!" heheheh Anyway, Peter, it would seem I took your original post wrong, for which I apologise.
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I hadn’t made that typo on "note!!" heheheh Anyway, Peter, it would seem I took your original post wrong, for which I apologise.
No problem, I can understand the skepticism. I have a theory about psoriasis which I have had for some time now, but the pieces seem to be falling into place. Bye for now, Peter Finan
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I’ve been following this and related threads thru groups.google.com archives, and now that I’m NNTPing it directly I notice that Supernews left out the earlier threads; possibly they looked spammy even though they weren’t. The reason I happened to hit this while searching is that I, too, have worked with solutions (patented by me) that I’ve used as bubble baths and for foam dancing, and which also contains alkamidopropyl betaines. See http://www.bestweb.net/~robgood/lather.html if you’re interested — especially if you have connections to someone who might be able to license and commercialize it, as I’m not in the business myself. My object was not any biologic effect, but rather the absence of them — no urinary/genital irritation or eye sting. I’ve found that lauramidopropyl betaine, or a mixture of lauramidopropyl and palmitamidopropyl, foams better than either cocamidopropyl or myristamidopropyl betaine, but my guess would be that any of them might more or less substitute for each other for any anti-psoriatic effect. They’re all made from fairly broad cuts of fatty acids, so they overlap considerably in composition. Perhaps the longer-chain ones would have more such activity, so you might even want to try longer chain amidopropyl betaines or direct alkyl betaines. The various cosmetic grades differ in such details as salt and glycerol concentration. Usually they contain some amount of such contaminants left over from manufacture as diaminopropane, so you might want to check those for anti-psoriatic activity too. Betaine surfactants in general are known for activity against fungi and Gram-positive bacteria. Palmitamidopropyl (cetamidopropyl) betaine is also known for desquamating scaly skin. In the late 1980s Procter & Gamble sold a version of Ivory liquid detergent containing palmitamidopropyl betaine under the Bissett-Mao patent. It removed dandruff from pigs and softened hands of people washing dishes better than did similar compositions containing shorter-chain amidopropyl betaines. Currently that company has a Special Hand Care Dawn that desquamates skin by means of a protease from an engineered Bacillus subtilis. If you want to obtain betaine surfactants, be aware that manufacturers of the ingredients of cosmetics are eager to send free samples. Just don’t tell them you intend them for drug (i.e. therapeutic) use. In the USA, one of the many suppliers of cocamidopropyl betaine and some other betaine surfactants is Inolex Corp. in Philadelphia. The only current US supplier I know of for palmitamidopropyl betaine is Scher Chemical Co. in Clifton, NJ. For general reference, http://www.surfactants.net , the Surfactants Virtual Library. Robert
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BTW it is a coconut derived foam boosting agent. [I remembered from kindie] ha.ha.
Here’s a place where it can be puchased in the U.S http://www.chemistrystore.com/cocamidopropyl_betaine.htm Yar Just found it listed in my Neutrogena* T/Gel anti-dandruff shampoo ingredients!
Yes, it’s also in Exorex and Blue-Cap and other psoriasis shampoos, BUT it’s also in thousands of other shampoos. Still, the possibilities are intriguing. I too was skeptical until the compound details were revealed. Thank you, Peter! Note that the ingredient is generally listed as two words, and is abbreviated as CAPB. Wouldn’t it be a kick if this turns out to be somehow connected to the Skin-CAP name? The cocamidopropyl prefix is the abbreviated CAP trade name of at least one surfactant product using cocamidopropyl dimethylamine propionate. Wild speculation of course, but there always was something suspicious about the quick renaming of surfactant used by Cheminova. Thanks also to Kim for pointing to the Medline references on CAPB as a contact irritant. it’s definitely something to approach carefully. Getting creative with the search tools, here’s a link to web advertised products that may have CAPB as the main ingredient: http://pinch.com/skinny?web=water-cocamidopropyl (Neutrogena shampoos do have it as a first ingredient, but the active ingredient is salicylic acid which breaks up dead skin cells.) — Ed "the game is a foot" Anderson
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When you distribute this, how is it packaged? Does it come in some kind of container listing this compound with an official label? I only wonder because it might not make it through Customs otherwise. Also, did the disco girl and accountant lady use it topically at night, say, as a leave-on, or did they just use it to wash, or what? All the details you can provide would be extremely helpful. Thanks, –Will
What we did in the past was send it out in 1/2 litre bottles, because that’s the size of bottle we normally used for samples anyway. It was called CHEM FF due to it’s use as a foam product in discos, and as such we were obliged to send a Health & Safety sheet with it. We also ask people to sign a disclaimer, because we are Textile people, not medics, so if folk want to use it, they have to know the background. I think the girl from the disco use the product (whic is a 30% Cocamidopropyl Betaine) as a bubble bath, and Sue in the office just dabbed a dilution on her elbows and hands. Best Wishes all, Peter Finan
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Here’s a place where it can be puchased in the U.S http://www.chemistrystore.com/cocamidopropyl_betaine.htm Yar Just found it listed in my Neutrogena* T/Gel anti-dandruff shampoo ingredients!
Yes, it’s also in Exorex and Blue-Cap and other psoriasis shampoos, BUT it’s also in thousands of other shampoos. Still, the possibilities are intriguing. I too was skeptical until the compound details were revealed. Thank you, Peter! Note that the ingredient is generally listed as two words, and is abbreviated as CAPB. Wouldn’t it be a kick if this turns out to be somehow connected to the Skin-CAP name? The cocamidopropyl prefix is the abbreviated CAP trade name of at least one surfactant product using cocamidopropyl dimethylamine propionate. Wild speculation of course, but there always was something suspicious about the quick renaming of surfactant used by Cheminova. Thanks also to Kim for pointing to the Medline references on CAPB as a contact irritant. it’s definitely something to approach carefully. Getting creative with the search tools, here’s a link to web advertised products that may have CAPB as the main ingredient: http://pinch.com/skinny?web=water-cocamidopropyl (Neutrogena shampoos do have it as a first ingredient, but the active ingredient is salicylic acid which breaks up dead skin cells.) — Ed "the game is a foot" Anderson
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<snip Cocamidopropylbetaine… I have no idea how it works, but some refrences in literature I have found mention that it has a mild antibacterial action, but this alone would not do the trick.
Well this is where your relative lack of expertise on psoriasis may come in. That might be exactly what’s going on, as some people with P do respond surprisingly well to such things, for example tea tree oil. Which, FWIW, makes my P worse. At the same time, it is basically a surfactant, which is why it pops up in all those soaps and shampoos. Let me stress I am 100% genuine and am not after money. If you want some, you can have some. It’s not as if you can go down to the local supermarket and pick some up. It is very very safe, otherwise all the major personal care product manufacturers would not use it (in mixture with other products) and we would have had a hell of a lot of complaints from customers. Anyway, I waffle on too long…….
Mmm, that’s fine, I’ll buy into the being serious bit. OTOH, again your relative inexperience with P might some into play here. May be perfectly safe in general, but it is listed by the AAD and in a number of Medline studies as an allergan and probable cause of some contact dermatitis http://www.aad.org/Marketplace/shopping/slides/38.html http://pinch.com/skinny?medline=Cocamidopropylbetaine Which says to me it make well also trigger some people’s P, if they’re sensitive to such things. Some of the latter studies, BTW, do support what you’re saying about there being an apparent difference between the commerical kind in products one buys and the pure stuff, at least in so far as how much of an allergan it is. And look, not telling people not to try it or that I disbelieve it helped the people Peter knows, just suggesting a bit of caution before slathering yourself in the stuff.. The Psoriasis Newsgroup Resource FAQ can be found at http://pfaq.cjb.net but will also be coming soon (twice a month) to a newsgroup near you…
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Just found it listed in my Neutrogena* T/Gel anti-dandruff shampoo ingredients!
Yes, it’s also in Exorex and Blue-Cap and other psoriasis shampoos, BUT it’s also in thousands of other shampoos. Still, the possibilities are intriguing. I too was skeptical until the compound details were revealed. Thank you, Peter! Note that the ingredient is generally listed as two words, and is abbreviated as CAPB. Wouldn’t it be a kick if this turns out to be somehow connected to the Skin-CAP name? The cocamidopropyl prefix is the abbreviated CAP trade name of at least one surfactant product using cocamidopropyl dimethylamine propionate. Wild speculation of course, but there always was something suspicious about the quick renaming of surfactant used by Cheminova. Thanks also to Kim for pointing to the Medline references on CAPB as a contact irritant. it’s definitely something to approach carefully. Getting creative with the search tools, here’s a link to web advertised products that may have CAPB as the main ingredient: http://pinch.com/skinny?web=water-cocamidopropyl (Neutrogena shampoos do have it as a first ingredient, but the active ingredient is salicylic acid which breaks up dead skin cells.) — Ed "the game is a foot" Anderson
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Mmm, that’s fine, I’ll buy into the being serious bit. OTOH, again your relative inexperience with P might some into play here. May be perfectly safe in general, but it is listed by the AAD and in a number of Medline studies as an allergan and probable cause of some contact dermatitis
Virtually any surfactant will cause sensitivity/dermatitis in some people, just by removing skin lipids. But it is a VERY common surfactant in shampoos, bubble baths etc. As mentioned before, not often used alone but as a foam booster with other surfactants. There are different grades, from "technical" (it’s also used in floor/surface cleaners etc) to higher grade toiletry quality material. I’m not aware of it being available in a "pharmaceutical" grade. It comes normally as 30 – 40% solution in water (with a few other minor components – salts etc). Hope this helps Barry Hunt
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When you distribute this, how is it packaged? Does it come in some kind of container listing this compound with an official label? I only wonder because it might not make it through Customs otherwise. Also, did the disco girl and accountant lady use it topically at night, say, as a leave-on, or did they just use it to wash, or what? All the details you can provide would be extremely helpful. Thanks, –Will
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The page that is mentioned contains separate references to cocamidopropyl betaine and psoriasis – not linked. If you do a search on Google (for example) this page pops up. It is used as a foam booster in shampoos and bubble baths, but it is often in a mixture with other chemical surfactants such as Sodium Lauryl (or Laureth) Sulphate. In this scenario the latter named product acts as a degreaser, which you would expect from a cleansing product. What I am saying is that Cocamidopropylbetaine ON ITS OWN is the compound that alleviates psoriasis, without the surfactant/detergent components which would obviously antagonise the problem. I know because I have seen it with my own eyes. I just happened to be working for a company that used this product, and, with reference to earlier postings, by complete accident we found it had an action against psoriasis, because of the girl in the disco and the accountant lady in our office. I have no idea how it works, but some refrences in literature I have found mention that it has a mild antibacterial action, but this alone would not do the trick. If anyone wants to try it, get in touch. We (me and my friend John) have done it before, but we became separated after the company was taken over. We are back working together again, and, as I mentioned earlier, supplying the ‘Disco Foam’ market. Let me stress I am 100% genuine and am not after money. If you want some, you can have some. It’s not as if you can go down to the local supermarket and pick some up. It is very very safe, otherwise all the major personal care product manufacturers would not use it (in mixture with other products) and we would have had a hell of a lot of complaints from customers. Anyway, I waffle on too long……. Best Wishes everbody, Peter Finan
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Forgive my skepticism, but most folks would name the chemical if it were truly a "spirit of giving" thing, and not hoping for profit.
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Ok, an oversight maybe – it’s Cocamidopropylbetaine, used in household products as a foam booster. The reason I posted is that it may be difficult for the common public to obtain it, but we use it all the time. So, if anyone wants to try some – drop me a line, and you can have some. If you are in the UK you can call 01706 835100 and ask for Peter. Seriously – no profit to be made here, I just want to help. Bye for now, Peter Finan
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Ok, an oversight maybe – it’s Cocamidopropylbetaine, used in household products as a foam booster. The reason I posted is that it may be difficult for the common public to obtain it, but we use it all the time. So, if anyone wants to try some – drop me a line, and you can have some. If you are in the UK you can call 01706 835100 and ask for Peter. Seriously – no profit to be made here, I just want to help. Bye for now, Peter Finan
What house hold products is this used in?
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The page that is mentioned contains separate references to cocamidopropyl betaine and psoriasis – not linked. If you do a search on Google (for example) this page pops up. It is used as a foam booster in shampoos and bubble baths, but it is often in a mixture with other chemical surfactants such as Sodium Lauryl (or Laureth) Sulphate. In this scenario the latter named product acts as a degreaser, which you would expect from a cleansing product. What I am saying is that Cocamidopropylbetaine ON ITS OWN is the compound that alleviates psoriasis, without the surfactant/detergent components which would obviously antagonise the problem. I know because I have seen it with my own eyes. I just happened to be working for a company that used this product, and, with reference to earlier postings, by complete accident we found it had an action against psoriasis, because of the girl in the disco and the accountant lady in our office. I have no idea how it works, but some refrences in literature I have found mention that it has a mild antibacterial action, but this alone would not do the trick. If anyone wants to try it, get in touch. We (me and my friend John) have done it before, but we became separated after the company was taken over. We are back working together again, and, as I mentioned earlier, supplying the ‘Disco Foam’ market. Let me stress I am 100% genuine and am not after money. If you want some, you can have some. It’s not as if you can go down to the local supermarket and pick some up. It is very very safe, otherwise all the major personal care product manufacturers would not use it (in mixture with other products) and we would have had a hell of a lot of complaints from customers. Anyway, I waffle on too long……. Best Wishes everbody, Peter Finan
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Just found it listed in my Neutrogena* T/Gel anti-dandruff shampoo ingredients!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just did a search about this chemical and found several references to it being used in shampoos, Henna shampoo and Rogaine for men! There appears to be a patent including it with reference to psoriasis on page – (best to "copy" name and "paste" in Edit , Find on this page)! http://www.sciweb.com/features/patents/patents_435_10_15_00.cfm There was also an research article listed on one page Angelini, G., Foti, C., Rigano, L. & Vena, G.A. (1995). 3-Dimethylaminopropylamine: a key substance in contact allergy to cocamidopropylbetaine? Contact Dermatitis 32: 96-99. Ok, an oversight maybe – it’s Cocamidopropylbetaine, used in household products as a foam booster. The reason I posted is that it may be difficult for the common public to obtain it, but we use it all the time. So, if anyone wants to try some – drop me a line, and you can have some. If you are in the UK you can call 01706 835100 and ask for Peter. Seriously – no profit to be made here, I just want to help. Bye for now, Peter Finan — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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I just did a search about this chemical and found several references to it being used in shampoos, Henna shampoo and Rogaine for men! There appears to be a patent including it with reference to psoriasis on page – (best to "copy" name and "paste" in Edit , Find on this page)! http://www.sciweb.com/features/patents/patents_435_10_15_00.cfm There was also an research article listed on one page Angelini, G., Foti, C., Rigano, L. & Vena, G.A. (1995). 3-Dimethylaminopropylamine: a key substance in contact allergy to cocamidopropylbetaine? Contact Dermatitis 32: 96-99.
Ok, an oversight maybe – it’s Cocamidopropylbetaine, used in household products as a foam booster. The reason I posted is that it may be difficult for the common public to obtain it, but we use it all the time. So, if anyone wants to try some – drop me a line, and you can have some. If you are in the UK you can call 01706 835100 and ask for Peter. Seriously – no profit to be made here, I just want to help. Bye for now, Peter Finan
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Hello. My name is Peter Finan and I live in Bradford West Yorkshire. I work for a company that manufactures chemicals for the textile industry. Some years ago we were asked by a Disco manager if we could supply a product that would fill a disco with foam. Strange, but we already supplied foaming products for the textile coating sector, so we just picked one of those, based on what we thought about the possible risks, or rather the lack of them.Anyway, to cut a long story short, after one of these foam parties, we got a letter from a lady whose daughter had attended the event. Yikes, I thought, we should never have got into this, it’s going to be a letter complaining, but it wasn’t (in fact we have had letters, perhaps 2 over 8-9 years complaining, but that’s all). The girl’s psoriasis (I don’t know how bad it was) had disappeared two days after attending the disco. We didn’t believe her, but we agreed to send some of the product to her in case the psoriasis came back. We suggested, that as it foams, it could be used as a bubble bath, so this is what was done. We received another letter some months later saying it had come back but regular baths in the product had kept it at bay. John (my boss at the time) and I were intrigued, so we drafted a letter for people who wanted to try it, saying the risk was theirs, we were not doctors etc, but if they wanted to try it then they could. Some people took it up, including Sue who used to work with us in Dewsbury. She used it as a ‘dab’ on her hands as well as a bath and it worked. In fact everyone who tried it said it worked. Now the point is find it in every bubble bath or shampoo, but mixed with other chemicals, and that’s the point. It is NEVER used on it’s own, until now, that is. And it is CHEAP !! In fact a litre bottle of the stuff will probably cost us (we buy it all the time for the disco people) about
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – General proficiency at winding inductors is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Don’t feel bad, many (if not most) of those successfully selling aftermarket guitar pickups and/or rewinding services are in the same situation you are — the number of people who actually know the right questions (let alone the answers) is vanishingly small, and that why the vast bulk of such work is mediocre and/or inconsistent. That I will agree with you (some of it) , however half of it is magic Snake oil, technical BS that is fired toward the sucker audiophiles and musicians like to believe.
I *knew* I liked you, Joe — *now* you’re talkin’! :-) "In search for the ultimate sound WEE HAVE IT FOR YOU just $399.99 for that RCA cable"
Hey, don’t forget "oxygen-free" copper for cables — I thought that was bad until I started reading about "audiophile power cords"……:-) (just like the Groove Tube magic matching hype)
Yeah, how did all those guys back in the ’50s and ’60s ever make any decent music without tweaking their amp’s bias between songs? :-) Leo Fender’s woman working at the factory in the 50’s-60’s slow wound on a crap Miller winders, and wax pots Brian May and Richie Blackmore by hand.
I still read crap like that in "Vintage Guitar" — but thankfully I think the whole "older is better" nonsense is finally dying out. The best pickups ever made are being made right now, with decent professional equipment properly modified to account for the tensioning problems presented by oblong bobbins. It can be done with great looking results and performance with proper winding equipment, proper wire, good hand and experience.
Well, there are a few subtle points beyond that, but I certainly agree with the ones you’ve mentioned. So-called "hand-wound" pickups are just marketing hype, nobody’s going to hand-guide wire that thin to put out (maybe) two dozen pickups a day — a good winder guides wire better than anyone can by hand. (It just cant be mass produced)
People have trouble believing that properly set up machines do it better, and the pickup schlockmeisters just tell them what they want to hear — that hype machine’s been grinding out nonsense like that for about twenty years, with Seymour Duncan at the crank! Joe
Sounds like a plan — sorry we got off on the wrong foot and, if you don’t mind, raise one for me, OK? :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah Bruce you are seasoned flamer who must constantly prove himself to be the Alpha (so do Ape’s) I see you had to use a disclaimer to play it safe SNIP: I can almost guarantee you don’t have the porper equipment Almost does not cut it Bruce, sure hope you dont work on avionics or hospital equipment. I don’t, and don’t even pretend to be capable of that — and if you were promoting yourself as for "work on avionics or hospital equipment" I wouldn’t have written word one! You are very wrong about several things, Weak reply, as expected. I am a bit busy today so here is somthing one anyone on this group can lookup. SNIP: Electricity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. LOL, are you wrong about that ! At audio frequencies, I am right. A guitar pickup is operates at audio frequencies and the various pretty patterns a good winder can execute are not important. Back to the main question: How do you know what equipment I have, who I worked with, and my proficiency. General proficiency at winding inductors is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Don’t feel bad, many (if not most) of those successfully selling aftermarket guitar pickups and/or rewinding services are in the same situation you are — the number of people who actually know the right questions (let alone the answers) is vanishingly small, and that why the vast bulk of such work is mediocre and/or inconsistent. Note: My grandfather designed merrows, and other textile machines. You are not your ancestors and I am not mine. General mechanical aptitude is not professional level pickup winding skill. I worked at Grumman here in Long Island for many years before they closed and sold much gear at auction. I’m from Long Island and worked in the defense industry for a couple of years too. Our experience there is not relevant to this discussion — I wouldn’t entrust a pickup rewind to a Grumman, Fairchild-Republic, or Sperry coil winder operator unless they were also aware of the technical issues specific to guitar pickups AND they had the musician’s ear to evaluate the results before shipment. Knowing how to operate a coil winder as per its instruction manual is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Now tell me what I have you contemptuous wise guy I am not a psychic, but so far everything you’ve written here indicates you’re a dilettante when it comes to guitar pickups, someone who’d just as soon be doing something else. I’ll gladly apologize if you provide the slightest indication that you understand the issues at hand here. "I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS" As I said, I’m no psychic, and I’ll gladly be corrected by anyone with a better understanding of what’s involved in doing a pickup rewind properly — besides having nice Grumman surplus equipment.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -General proficiency at winding inductors is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Don’t feel bad, many (if not most) of those successfully selling aftermarket guitar pickups and/or rewinding services are in the same situation you are — the number of people who actually know the right questions (let alone the answers) is vanishingly small, and that why the vast bulk of such work is mediocre and/or inconsistent.
That I will agree with you (some of it) , however half of it is magic Snake oil, technical BS that is fired toward the sucker audiophiles and musicians like to believe. "In search for the ultimate sound WEE HAVE IT FOR YOU just $399.99 for that RCA cable" (just like the Groove Tube magic matching hype) Leo Fender’s woman working at the factory in the 50’s-60’s slow wound on a crap Miller winders, and wax pots Brian May and Richie Blackmore by hand. It can be done with great looking results and performance with proper winding equipment, proper wire, good hand and experience. (It just cant be mass produced) Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah Bruce you are seasoned flamer who must constantly prove himself to be the Alpha (so do Ape’s) I see you had to use a disclaimer to play it safe SNIP: I can almost guarantee you don’t have the porper equipment Almost does not cut it Bruce, sure hope you dont work on avionics or hospital equipment. I don’t, and don’t even pretend to be capable of that — and if you were promoting yourself as for "work on avionics or hospital equipment" I wouldn’t have written word one! You are very wrong about several things, Weak reply, as expected. I am a bit busy today so here is somthing one anyone on this group can lookup. SNIP: Electricity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. LOL, are you wrong about that ! At audio frequencies, I am right. A guitar pickup is operates at audio frequencies and the various pretty patterns a good winder can execute are not important. Back to the main question: How do you know what equipment I have, who I worked with, and my proficiency. General proficiency at winding inductors is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Don’t feel bad, many (if not most) of those successfully selling aftermarket guitar pickups and/or rewinding services are in the same situation you are — the number of people who actually know the right questions (let alone the answers) is vanishingly small, and that why the vast bulk of such work is mediocre and/or inconsistent. Note: My grandfather designed merrows, and other textile machines. You are not your ancestors and I am not mine. General mechanical aptitude is not professional level pickup winding skill. I worked at Grumman here in Long Island for many years before they closed and sold much gear at auction. I’m from Long Island and worked in the defense industry for a couple of years too. Our experience there is not relevant to this discussion — I wouldn’t entrust a pickup rewind to a Grumman, Fairchild-Republic, or Sperry coil winder operator unless they were also aware of the technical issues specific to guitar pickups AND they had the musician’s ear to evaluate the results before shipment. Knowing how to operate a coil winder as per its instruction manual is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Now tell me what I have you contemptuous wise guy I am not a psychic, but so far everything you’ve written here indicates you’re a dilettante when it comes to guitar pickups, someone who’d just as soon be doing something else. I’ll gladly apologize if you provide the slightest indication that you understand the issues at hand here. "I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS" As I said, I’m no psychic, and I’ll gladly be corrected by anyone with a better understanding of what’s involved in doing a pickup rewind properly — besides having nice Grumman surplus equipment.
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Ah Bruce you are seasoned flamer who must constantly prove himself to be the Alpha (so do Ape’s) I see you had to use a disclaimer to play it safe SNIP: I can almost guarantee you don’t have the porper equipment Almost does not cut it Bruce, sure hope you dont work on avionics or hospital equipment.
I don’t, and don’t even pretend to be capable of that — and if you were promoting yourself as for "work on avionics or hospital equipment" I wouldn’t have written word one! You are very wrong about several things,
Weak reply, as expected. I am a bit busy today so here is somthing one anyone on this group can lookup. SNIP: Electricity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. LOL, are you wrong about that !
At audio frequencies, I am right. A guitar pickup is operates at audio frequencies and the various pretty patterns a good winder can execute are not important. Back to the main question: How do you know what equipment I have, who I worked with, and my proficiency.
General proficiency at winding inductors is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Don’t feel bad, many (if not most) of those successfully selling aftermarket guitar pickups and/or rewinding services are in the same situation you are — the number of people who actually know the right questions (let alone the answers) is vanishingly small, and that why the vast bulk of such work is mediocre and/or inconsistent. Note: My grandfather designed merrows, and other textile machines.
You are not your ancestors and I am not mine. General mechanical aptitude is not professional level pickup winding skill. I worked at Grumman here in Long Island for many years before they closed and sold much gear at auction.
I’m from Long Island and worked in the defense industry for a couple of years too. Our experience there is not relevant to this discussion — I wouldn’t entrust a pickup rewind to a Grumman, Fairchild-Republic, or Sperry coil winder operator unless they were also aware of the technical issues specific to guitar pickups AND they had the musician’s ear to evaluate the results before shipment. Knowing how to operate a coil winder as per its instruction manual is *not* professional-level pickup winding skill. Now tell me what I have you contemptuous wise guy
I am not a psychic, but so far everything you’ve written here indicates you’re a dilettante when it comes to guitar pickups, someone who’d just as soon be doing something else. I’ll gladly apologize if you provide the slightest indication that you understand the issues at hand here. "I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS"
As I said, I’m no psychic, and I’ll gladly be corrected by anyone with a better understanding of what’s involved in doing a pickup rewind properly — besides having nice Grumman surplus equipment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -, Joe Quite amazing Bruce, you know everything! I know that you came off like an amateur. You must be one of them starving pretty bad, to have to trash someone you don’t even know about! Hey, don’t blame me, you posted something that made you look big time bad. "Business is slow that all", Thankfully not as bad as you must be doing. That post was not going get you any business anyway — you were self- trashing! I am getting out of this line of work to do marine electronics/GPS systems here in Long Island. Good move. Till then I been cleaning up and doing side things for extra $$ till April, rewinding is no big deal after you have done several dozen with the proper equipment. I can almost guarantee you don’t have the proper equipment to wind on oblong forms without eddy current inducing loop shorts at the narrow ends. Even the very best professional machines don’t come with synchronized tensioners to prevent this, the best professional rewinders design and build their own. This issue of tensioning is the reason some brands of otherwise- identical Fender-style single-coil pickups sound consistently great (e.g. Van Zandt) and others are just plain inconsistent (Seymour Duncan and dozens of others). Can your ESP tell me what kind of Hall effect counter, winding lath and controller I am using use to spin? It doesn’t matter if you haven’t tackled the tensioning problem. A turn counter is a turn counter, as long as the machine is well designed the technology used is irrelevant. Would that be interference wound or layer wound, That doesn’t matter, what matters is the inductance, comprehensive resistance at the relevant audio frequency, and eddy current percentage. Electicity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. There no way any wire finer than about 38 AWG is going to stay in layers no matter what you do, so in essence anything wound with fine wire is going to be more or less random wound. Q factor. That’ll be right if you get the other stuff right — it’s measured with the same instrument that tells you inductance (L) and comprehensive resistance (Rac) at frequency. How about wire..Elestrosola, H.W Miller,"Polysol" "Enamel" where did I get That’s why you came off like an amateur — as you apparently know, "42 gauge" isn’t really a meaningful specification, it’s a broad range of diameters. You have to know the exact conductor diameter AND the exact insulation thickness before you know what you’re using. The brand doesn’t matter as long as you know how to specify and they can meet the spec. I also assume you know all about my wax mixture and vacuum setup for potting. $10 extra An unpotted pickup is an microphone waiting to happen — and there’s no secret recipe for effective wax, as long as the melting point is high enough it’ll do the job. You don’t need "vacuum" either, but that’s another issue — use whatever works for you. …Now PISS OFF you flaming imbecile. Don’t worry, I’m not in the business — and if you’re ready to go do "marine electronics/GPS systems" instead, you really aren’t in it either, and there’s no reason for anyone to entrust their work to you. Players want to deal with someone who’s committed to their craft and who they can go back to years down the road, not someone who’d rather be doing something else! My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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Ah Bruce you are seasoned flamer who must constantly prove himself to be the Alpha (so do Ape’s) I see you had to use a disclaimer to play it safe SNIP: I can almost guarantee you don’t have the porper equipment
Almost does not cut it Bruce, sure hope you dont work on avionics or hospital equipment. You are very wrong about several things, I am a bit busy today so here is somthing one anyone on this group can lookup. SNIP: Electricity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel.
LOL, are you wrong about that ! Back to the main question: How do you know what equipment I have, who I worked with, and my proficiency. Note: My grandfather designed merrows, and other textile machines. I worked at Grumman here in Long Island for many years before they closed and sold much gear at auction. Now tell me what I have you contemptuous wise guy "I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS" , Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quite amazing Bruce, you know everything! I know that you came off like an amateur. You must be one of them starving pretty bad, to have to trash someone you don’t even know about! Hey, don’t blame me, you posted something that made you look big time bad. "Business is slow that all", Thankfully not as bad as you must be doing. That post was not going get you any business anyway — you were self- trashing! I am getting out of this line of work to do marine electronics/GPS systems here in Long Island. Good move. Till then I been cleaning up and doing side things for extra $$ till April, rewinding is no big deal after you have done several dozen with the proper equipment. I can almost guarantee you don’t have the proper equipment to wind on oblong forms without eddy current inducing loop shorts at the narrow ends. Even the very best professional machines don’t come with synchronized tensioners to prevent this, the best professional rewinders design and build their own. This issue of tensioning is the reason some brands of otherwise- identical Fender-style single-coil pickups sound consistently great (e.g. Van Zandt) and others are just plain inconsistent (Seymour Duncan and dozens of others). Can your ESP tell me what kind of Hall effect counter, winding lath and controller I am using use to spin? It doesn’t matter if you haven’t tackled the tensioning problem. A turn counter is a turn counter, as long as the machine is well designed the technology used is irrelevant. Would that be interference wound or layer wound, That doesn’t matter, what matters is the inductance, comprehensive resistance at the relevant audio frequency, and eddy current percentage. Electicity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. There no way any wire finer than about 38 AWG is going to stay in layers no matter what you do, so in essence anything wound with fine wire is going to be more or less random wound. Q factor. That’ll be right if you get the other stuff right — it’s measured with the same instrument that tells you inductance (L) and comprehensive resistance (Rac) at frequency. How about wire..Elestrosola, H.W Miller,"Polysol" "Enamel" where did I get That’s why you came off like an amateur — as you apparently know, "42 gauge" isn’t really a meaningful specification, it’s a broad range of diameters. You have to know the exact conductor diameter AND the exact insulation thickness before you know what you’re using. The brand doesn’t matter as long as you know how to specify and they can meet the spec. I also assume you know all about my wax mixture and vacuum setup for potting. $10 extra An unpotted pickup is an microphone waiting to happen — and there’s no secret recipe for effective wax, as long as the melting point is high enough it’ll do the job. You don’t need "vacuum" either, but that’s another issue — use whatever works for you. …Now PISS OFF you flaming imbecile. Don’t worry, I’m not in the business — and if you’re ready to go do "marine electronics/GPS systems" instead, you really aren’t in it either, and there’s no reason for anyone to entrust their work to you. Players want to deal with someone who’s committed to their craft and who they can go back to years down the road, not someone who’d rather be doing something else! My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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Ah Bruce you are seasoned flamer who must constantly prove himself to be the Alpha (so do Ape’s) I see you had to use a disclaimer to play it safe SNIP: I can almost guarantee you don’t have the porper equipment
Almost does not cut it Bruce, sure hope you dont work on avionics or hospital equipment. You are very wrong about several things, I am a bit busy today so here is one anyone on this group can lookup. SNIP: Electricity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel.
LOL, are you wrong about that ! Back to the main question: How do you know what equipment I have, who I worked with, and my proficiency. Note: My grandfather designed merrows, and other textile machines. I worked at Grumman here in Long Island for many years before they closed and sold much gear at auction. Now tell me what I have you contemptuous wise guy "I WOULD LOVE TO HERE THIS" , Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quite amazing Bruce, you know everything! I know that you came off like an amateur. You must be one of them starving pretty bad, to have to trash someone you don’t even know about! Hey, don’t blame me, you posted something that made you look big time bad. "Business is slow that all", Thankfully not as bad as you must be doing. That post was not going get you any business anyway — you were self- trashing! I am getting out of this line of work to do marine electronics/GPS systems here in Long Island. Good move. Till then I been cleaning up and doing side things for extra $$ till April, rewinding is no big deal after you have done several dozen with the proper equipment. I can almost guarantee you don’t have the proper equipment to wind on oblong forms without eddy current inducing loop shorts at the narrow ends. Even the very best professional machines don’t come with synchronized tensioners to prevent this, the best professional rewinders design and build their own. This issue of tensioning is the reason some brands of otherwise- identical Fender-style single-coil pickups sound consistently great (e.g. Van Zandt) and others are just plain inconsistent (Seymour Duncan and dozens of others). Can your ESP tell me what kind of Hall effect counter, winding lath and controller I am using use to spin? It doesn’t matter if you haven’t tackled the tensioning problem. A turn counter is a turn counter, as long as the machine is well designed the technology used is irrelevant. Would that be interference wound or layer wound, That doesn’t matter, what matters is the inductance, comprehensive resistance at the relevant audio frequency, and eddy current percentage. Electicity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. There no way any wire finer than about 38 AWG is going to stay in layers no matter what you do, so in essence anything wound with fine wire is going to be more or less random wound. Q factor. That’ll be right if you get the other stuff right — it’s measured with the same instrument that tells you inductance (L) and comprehensive resistance (Rac) at frequency. How about wire..Elestrosola, H.W Miller,"Polysol" "Enamel" where did I get That’s why you came off like an amateur — as you apparently know, "42 gauge" isn’t really a meaningful specification, it’s a broad range of diameters. You have to know the exact conductor diameter AND the exact insulation thickness before you know what you’re using. The brand doesn’t matter as long as you know how to specify and they can meet the spec. I also assume you know all about my wax mixture and vacuum setup for potting. $10 extra An unpotted pickup is an microphone waiting to happen — and there’s no secret recipe for effective wax, as long as the melting point is high enough it’ll do the job. You don’t need "vacuum" either, but that’s another issue — use whatever works for you. …Now PISS OFF you flaming imbecile. Don’t worry, I’m not in the business — and if you’re ready to go do "marine electronics/GPS systems" instead, you really aren’t in it either, and there’s no reason for anyone to entrust their work to you. Players want to deal with someone who’s committed to their craft and who they can go back to years down the road, not someone who’d rather be doing something else! My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil
You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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Quite amazing Bruce, you know everything! You must be one of them starving pretty bad, to have to trash someone you don’t even know about! "Business is slow that all", Thankfully not as bad as you must be doing. I am getting out of this line of work to do marine electronics/GPS systems here in Long Island. Till then I been cleaning up and doing side things for extra $$ till April, rewinding is no big deal after you have done several dozen with the proper equipment. Can your ESP tell me what kind of Hall effect counter, winding lath and controller I am using use to spin? Would that be interference wound or layer wound, Q factor. How about wire..Elestrosola, H.W Miller,"Polysol" "Enamel" where did I get it I also assume you know all about my wax mixture and vacuum setup for potting. $10 extra …Now PISS OFF you flaming imbecile. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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Quite amazing Bruce, you know everything!
I know that you came off like an amateur. You must be one of them starving pretty bad, to have to trash someone you don’t even know about!
Hey, don’t blame me, you posted something that made you look big time bad. "Business is slow that all", Thankfully not as bad as you must be doing.
That post was not going get you any business anyway — you were self- trashing! I am getting out of this line of work to do marine electronics/GPS systems here in Long Island.
Good move. Till then I been cleaning up and doing side things for extra $$ till April, rewinding is no big deal after you have done several dozen with the proper equipment.
I can almost guarantee you don’t have the proper equipment to wind on oblong forms without eddy current inducing loop shorts at the narrow ends. Even the very best professional machines don’t come with synchronized tensioners to prevent this, the best professional rewinders design and build their own. This issue of tensioning is the reason some brands of otherwise- identical Fender-style single-coil pickups sound consistently great (e.g. Van Zandt) and others are just plain inconsistent (Seymour Duncan and dozens of others). Can your ESP tell me what kind of Hall effect counter, winding lath and controller I am using use to spin?
It doesn’t matter if you haven’t tackled the tensioning problem. A turn counter is a turn counter, as long as the machine is well designed the technology used is irrelevant. Would that be interference wound or layer wound,
That doesn’t matter, what matters is the inductance, comprehensive resistance at the relevant audio frequency, and eddy current percentage. Electicity doesn’t give a flying fahootch about "layer wound," interference wound," "scatter wound," etc. — that’s just sales drivel. There no way any wire finer than about 38 AWG is going to stay in layers no matter what you do, so in essence anything wound with fine wire is going to be more or less random wound. Q factor.
That’ll be right if you get the other stuff right — it’s measured with the same instrument that tells you inductance (L) and comprehensive resistance (Rac) at frequency. How about wire..Elestrosola, H.W Miller,"Polysol" "Enamel" where did I get
That’s why you came off like an amateur — as you apparently know, "42 gauge" isn’t really a meaningful specification, it’s a broad range of diameters. You have to know the exact conductor diameter AND the exact insulation thickness before you know what you’re using. The brand doesn’t matter as long as you know how to specify and they can meet the spec. I also assume you know all about my wax mixture and vacuum setup for potting. $10 extra
An unpotted pickup is an microphone waiting to happen — and there’s no secret recipe for effective wax, as long as the melting point is high enough it’ll do the job. You don’t need "vacuum" either, but that’s another issue — use whatever works for you. …Now PISS OFF you flaming imbecile.
Don’t worry, I’m not in the business — and if you’re ready to go do "marine electronics/GPS systems" instead, you really aren’t in it either, and there’s no reason for anyone to entrust their work to you. Players want to deal with someone who’s committed to their craft and who they can go back to years down the road, not someone who’d rather be doing something else! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil You need a lot more than that to do a professional and accurate job of rewinding pickups — and $30 is about right for a brand-new, high- quality single-coil pickup, but it’s way too much for an amateur rewind job.
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My winding machine is back up, and I have 10 lbs of #42 $30 per coil
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Sorry, I thought harry’s attribution was still present. Bill
Quite all right! Before you buy.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steve…. First of all, I understand that the above quote is not of your doing but rather a copy of a quote aimed at you. However, not being a historian, nor being interested in past history previously, I have always been under the impression that the civil war was indeed a direct result off Lincoln wanting to free the slaves. I would (as would many others no doubt) be interested in just exactly brought the civil war into being. A section of your reply to the above mentioned quote was/is : But when did he say that? The timing of his statement is very important in determining the importance of slavery to Lincoln. I’d be interested in reading the reply to that also if it’s done by without the insulting and snide slanted tones. For all others…. I’ll give you an earfull of boating info in the coming year, so bear with me on this OT item. Joe
First, I also disclaim any responsibility for the rude remarks that followed "Gould wrote"……Gould almost never resorts to name calling…(he does other stupid things instead). The remarks were copied from a previous post. The civil war was really not about slavery at all. There was some very vocal abolitionists active in the northern and border states, but in their day they were more or less regarded much like environmental extremists are in the present time…well meaning, possibly misguided, and involved in an issue that could be considered as "none of their business". The majority of slaves in the south were not cruelly treated, whipped, or starved. It’s tough to get a good day’s work out of an expensive slave if he’s sick or injured. The greatest cruelties most of the Africans suffered when they were brought to the western hemisphere were at the hands of the Moslem traders and rival African tribesmen who would raid agricultural villages and sell the survivors into slavery. It’s a system that had peristed, non-stop, since biblical times. In the 19th Century, anything beyond subsistence family farming required a lot of labor. Just like farming today, the ulitmate consumer demanded as cheap a price as possible on commodities, and agricultural wages are never very high as a result. The farmers in the deep south were competing with farmers in the Caribbean, where slavery was well entrenched as well. The majority of people in the south didn’t own any slaves (a slave was very expensive), but the upper classes usually kept a few "servants" if they lived in town, or a few score of slaves to work the cotton or sugar cane fields if they were in the agricultural business. In the 1850’s, it was becoming apparent that there were two distinct cultures and economies in the United States. There was a northern culture and economy that was primarily industrial in nature, and a southern economy and culture that was primarily agricultural. At that time, the dominant political party of the industrial north was the Republican party, and the Democrats dominated the south. Mix into this the great Constitutional debate that had raged since the 1780’s, (and is still a hot topic for discussion today): are the rights of the individual states or the rights of the central federal government most important? The southern states did not want to see a national government dominated by the northerners. The greater population of the northern states would oridnarily put a greater number of northern Representatives in congress. To offset this advantage, a compromise was reached under which blacks could be counted as a "fraction" of a whole person, (I think it was 3/5 or 4/5), when population was calculated for Congressional redistricting. Of course the north had a concern that a relatively small number of wealthy white planters who happened to own a great number of slaves would be in a position to exert undue individual governmental influence. This resulted in some contentious wrangling over whether new states that were going to be admitted to the union would fall into the "slave" or "free" category. The Republican north wanted to dictate whether the new states would be "slave" or "free", and the Democratic south wanted the states to be able to make a self determination. At no time did the Federal government say to any of the southern states: "If you do not eliminate slavery in your state we will have to take steps on the federal level to do so." The federal government was primarily interested in having slavery fit seamlessly into the national scheme of things rather than abolishing it. After a while, the rhetoric got louder and angrier. Like today, those on both sides of issues were just as often yelling at each other and spreading viscous lies instead of talking to each other and searching for workable solution and compromise.It might be hard for most of us to understand today, but 150 years ago most people felt a far greater loyalty to the individual state in which they lived than to the country that included the state. Most of the important Confederate officers had graduated from West Point and sworn an oath of allegiance to the United States, but when their home states seceeded most of them ultimately saw serving their individual state as a "higher duty". (That’s an important concept to bear in mind when contemplating the Civil War.) The southern Democrats felt that they were losing political clout in the existing government, and ultimately they seceeded from the union. The whole thing could have been worked out politically, but there were too many hot heads on both sides and then there was that fateful spark in the situational powder house, Ft. Sumter. Entire books, even series of books, have been written on this subject and some of the historians disagree with one another…. but the above is a general overview of my personal understanding of the root causes behind the War for Southern Independence. More to do with state’s rights vs. federal rights than with slavery. By the way, if the Confederacy could have convinced the British to intervene in the war all of history would have been changed. The Brits were a bit skittish recently as 1830 something and the slavery question *was* one of many factors that kept the British from siding with the south and clobbering the north… Another factor that kept the British out of the war was the "cotton pass" system. Wealthy northern industrialists could buy permits to trade "captured contraband cotton" to the British textile industry. Since the holders of the cotton passes got the cotton for essentially nothing, they could make the Brits a pretty good price on it and still turn profits of several hundred percent. If the supply of cotton to the textile factories in England had ever dried up too seriously, that would have surely brought the British into the war on the side of the cotton states. Chuck Gould Float and let float.
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Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance.
The relative importance of slavery in the overall question was eloquently summed up by Lincoln himself. He said (generally) "If I could end the war and preserve the Union by freeing the slaves tomorrow, I would do so. If I could end the war and presrve the Union by allowing the slaves to remain in bondage, I would do so. If I could end the war and preserve the Union by freeing some slaves but not all, then that is what I would do." Slavery was a footnote. Chuck Gould Float and let float.
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Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance. The relative importance of slavery in the overall question was eloquently summed up by Lincoln himself. He said (generally) "If I could end the war and preserve the Union by freeing the slaves tomorrow, I would do so. If I could end the war and presrve the Union by allowing the slaves to remain in bondage, I would do so. If I could end the war and preserve the Union by freeing some slaves but not all, then that is what I would do."
But when did he say that? The timing of his statement is very important in determining the importance of slavery to Lincoln. If he said it after he realized how many lives the war was costing, I can understand why he would say that, and the statement would have little bearing on the importance (in Lincoln’s mind) of slavery as a contributing factor in the Civil War. If he said it at the beginning of the war, then I would agree that Lincoln thought slavery was not much of an issue in the war. Steve — / / / / / /
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Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance.
Steve…. First of all, I understand that the above quote is not of your doing but rather a copy of a quote aimed at you. However, not being a historian, nor being interested in past history previously, I have always been under the impression that the civil war was indeed a direct result off Lincoln wanting to free the slaves. I would (as would many others no doubt) be interested in just exactly brought the civil war into being. A section of your reply to the above mentioned quote was/is : But when did he say that? The timing of his statement is very important in determining the importance of slavery to Lincoln.
I’d be interested in reading the reply to that also if it’s done by without the insulting and snide slanted tones. For all others…. I’ll give you an earfull of boating info in the coming year, so bear with me on this OT item. Joe
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First, I also disclaim any responsibility for the rude remarks that followed "Gould wrote".
Chuck…. My mistake pertaining to the author of the rude remarks. My apologies are extended, and many many thanks for a well written explanation of the civil war causes. Joe Reeves
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A section of your reply to the above mentioned quote was/is : But when did he say that? The timing of his statement is very important in determining the importance of slavery to Lincoln. I’d need to do some research to give you an exact date. According to his biographers, Lincoln struggled mightily with the whole emancipation issue. The abolitionists were on him like a tick on a hound dog almost immediately after the war began, and he didn’t emancipate any slaves until the war was beginning to wind down. Chuck Gould Float and let float.
Lincoln wrote *reams* about the horrors of slavery long before he was elected President. In 1849, for example, while a Congressman, he voted to exclude slavery from federal territoriess and to abolish the slave trade in the District of Columbia, and he wrote about it. In 1858, he delivered his famous "house divided" speech.
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It was my rude remark, and it was aimed at Harry, who was pontificating on dumb Southerners. Some how the Harry got clipped out in the postings. Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, I also disclaim any responsibility for the rude remarks that followed "Gould wrote". Chuck…. My mistake pertaining to the author of the rude remarks. My apologies are extended, and many many thanks for a well written explanation of the civil war causes. Joe Reeves
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A section of your reply to the above mentioned quote was/is : But when did he say that? The timing of his statement is very important in determining the importance of slavery to Lincoln.
I’d need to do some research to give you an exact date. According to his biographers, Lincoln struggled mightily with the whole emancipation issue. The abolitionists were on him like a tick on a hound dog almost immediately after the war began, and he didn’t emancipate any slaves until the war was beginning to wind down. Chuck Gould Float and let float.
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Sorry, I thought harry’s attribution was still present. Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance. Bill I didn’t write a single WORD about the civil war!!!!! That was Hairy the Armpit! For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed. Sometimes, at just the right opportunity, you show just how profoundly ignorant and stupid you are. Another slanderous, hateful, prejudice, and moronic statement from you. You need to get your head out of the refrigerator long enough to realize that the south is a great place, with as many per capita educated adults as in the rest of the U.S. To think that all of the south is full of toothless, fornicating relatives just proves beyond any doubt that you are NOT a well traveled person like you’ve tried to make others here believe. Before you buy. Before you buy.
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Since it’s too cold to go sailing, I’ve been following or trying to follow this debate. It seems to me that Mr. Shelikoff has overlooked a possible remedy which would satisfy both sides. It seems to me that the Constitution of the United States is, as much as anything, a contract. It lays down the basic rules of government of the republic. It contains provisions which protect the rights of smaller states (or to be more correct, states with a smaller percentage of the total population). It seems probable to me, though I could be wrong, that if it didn’t have such provisions it would never have been ratified by those states. Some of those provisions are now perceived as a denial of "obvious" rights to the people in the larger states and, so, the constitution MUST be changed. The basic problem is that the constitution cannot be changed at the whim of a mere numerical majority, no matter how badly deprived that majority may be! The obvious solution, which I believe would satisfy everybody, is for the large states to unite under Senator Clinton’s leadership and to secede from the union. As those of us in rural America are wont to say: wouldn’t that be a hoot! John Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So you don’t fix one problem by creating another. The fact that the President determines how existing laws should be enforced (or not enforced) is a problem? Seems to me it’s part of Um, no. I was referring to the problem you brought up when you said: The President has the power of "Executive Order." Clinton has used this as a legislative tool. This is why I believe smaller states should have weighted votes–because the President IS making rules. In a perfect world, that would be up to the legislature, so the weighted vote wouldn’t be necessary. This is not a perfect world. You don’t fix *that* problem (not the fact that the President determines how existing laws should be enforced) by creating another. checks & balances. But it also means the states should have some input in who is interpreting the laws created by their WEIGHTED legislature. Yes, the legislature is weighted towards small states and the requirements to pass amendments is weighted towards the small states. That should be enough. The individuals who make up the legislature are elected by a fair vote, not a weighted vote. Same thing should be true for the individuals who make up the executive branch. An Presidential executive order shouldn’t be something that effects only one or a few states. No, they aren’t. They effect huge number of states. The Roadless Initiative, bans on timber harvest in national forests…the effect ALL states. But people in NYC and the like don’t know–or care–that it happened. It doesn’t effect them. It effects people in the small-town midwest. I thought you said the legislature is weighted towards the small states. From your point above, it doesn’t seem to be working. Are you suggesting we give the small states even more power? If you scrap the EC, the smaller states lose much of their voice in choosing the president. That would be okay if all the president did was enforce laws advanced by the WEIGHTED legislature, but it is not. Well, the people in the smaller states (by population of course:) lose the advantage they currently have. Due to the poor way that many states allocate their electoral votes? Yes. I must be misunderstanding your meaning.. The advantage the citizens of small states currently have in presidential elections has nothing to do with the way many states allocate their votes. The advantage comes from the fact that they are given a proportionately higher number of electors than the large states, relative to population. The effect of the way many states allocate their electoral votes is that the majority renders the opinion of the minority completely meaningless, where in a popular vote, the voice of the minority in any particular state would have some relevance on the outcome. Steve
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Besides…if the south is so backward, how come so many carpetbaggers keep movin’ here? Hey, Lanier…do you know the dfference between a Yankee and a Damyankee?
Yes, a damn yankee STAYS!!! Also, doesn’t Highness Hairy have a place in Jax? Also, I’ve been lucky enough to know a family from the Chesapeake Bay area, and while VERY nice people, they were certainly far from a "worldly" lot!! Before you buy.
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Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance. Bill
I didn’t write a single WORD about the civil war!!!!! That was Hairy the Armpit! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed. Sometimes, at just the right opportunity, you show just how profoundly ignorant and stupid you are. Another slanderous, hateful, prejudice, and moronic statement from you. You need to get your head out of the refrigerator long enough to realize that the south is a great place, with as many per capita educated adults as in the rest of the U.S. To think that all of the south is full of toothless, fornicating relatives just proves beyond any doubt that you are NOT a well traveled person like you’ve tried to make others here believe. Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Besides…if the south is so backward, how come so many carpetbaggers keep movin’ here? Hey, Lanier…do you know the dfference between a Yankee and a Damyankee? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed. Sometimes, at just the right opportunity, you show just how profoundly ignorant and stupid you are. Another slanderous, hateful, prejudice, and moronic statement from you. You need to get your head out of the refrigerator long enough to realize that the south is a great place, with as many per capita educated adults as in the rest of the U.S. To think that all of the south is full of toothless, fornicating relatives just proves beyond any doubt that you are NOT a well traveled person like you’ve tried to make others here believe. Before you buy.
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Extremely ignorant. The Civil war was not about slavery, Lincoln did not free the slaves until mid war. I though you were a older transplanted Floridian, which would explain your ingorance. Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed. Sometimes, at just the right opportunity, you show just how profoundly ignorant and stupid you are. Another slanderous, hateful, prejudice, and moronic statement from you. You need to get your head out of the refrigerator long enough to realize that the south is a great place, with as many per capita educated adults as in the rest of the U.S. To think that all of the south is full of toothless, fornicating relatives just proves beyond any doubt that you are NOT a well traveled person like you’ve tried to make others here believe. Before you buy.
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For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed.
Sometimes, at just the right opportunity, you show just how profoundly ignorant and stupid you are. Another slanderous, hateful, prejudice, and moronic statement from you. You need to get your head out of the refrigerator long enough to realize that the south is a great place, with as many per capita educated adults as in the rest of the U.S. To think that all of the south is full of toothless, fornicating relatives just proves beyond any doubt that you are NOT a well traveled person like you’ve tried to make others here believe. Before you buy.
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The obvious solution, which I believe would satisfy everybody, is for the large states to unite under Senator Clinton’s leadership and to secede from the union. As those of us in rural America are wont to say: wouldn’t that be a hoot! John Thompson
And you would call yourselves what, the United States of Flyover Zones? For many years I thought it was a mistake for the North to preserve the Union via the Civil War. I thought we should grab Florida and Louisiana (New Orleans!), free the slaves everywhere and let the rest of "da Souf" fall back into the swamp of incest and redneck production. But I’ve mellowed.
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Dear Sir, The costs inferred by long machinery pauses seem certainly too high to you. To solve this problem, you have probably already put your biggest machinery under monitoring. Because monitoring systems are too expensive, you couldn
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay
Not that I have a clue what fuller’s earth is, but _some_ kitty litter may use it. Mine definitely says 100% clay. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay Not that I have a clue what fuller’s earth is, but _some_ kitty litter may use it. Mine definitely says 100% clay.
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA fuller’s earth any fine-grained, naturally occurring earthy substance that has a substantial ability to adsorb impurities or colouring bodies from fats, grease, or oils. Its name originated with the textile industry, in which textile workers (or fullers) cleaned raw wool by kneading it in a mixture of water and fine earth that adsorbed oil, dirt, and other contaminants from the fibres. Fuller’s earth consists chiefly of hydrated aluminum silicates that contain metal ions such as magnesium, sodium, and calcium within their structure. Montmorillonite is the principal clay mineral in fuller’s earth, but other minerals such as kaolinite, attapulgite, and palygorskite also occur and account for its variable chemical composition. Though similar in appearance to clay, fuller’s earth differs by being more fine-grained and by having a higher water content. It also crumbles into mud when mixed with water, so it has little natural plasticity. The substance is found in a wide range of natural colours, from brown or green to yellow and white. Fuller’s earth is used to refine and decolourize petroleum products, cottonseed and soy oils, tallow, and other fats and oils. Its high adsorptive power also makes it commercially important in the preparation of animal litter trays and assorted degreasing agents and sweeping compounds. Fuller’s earth usually occurs as a by-product of the decomposition of feldspar or from the slow transformation of volcanic glass into crystalline solids. Major deposits of fuller’s earth have been found in England, in Japan, and in Florida, Georgia, Illinois, and Texas, U.S. — Roy
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Im new to this but have been reading posts about kitty litter. Do you use it in place of soil for planting? For all water plants that need potting or just certain ones? And why? Because its cheaper?
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Im new to this but have been reading posts about kitty litter. Do you use it in place of soil for planting? For all water plants that need potting or just certain ones? And why? Because its cheaper?
Its all a matter of personal preference. Some things I just rinsed off the dirt and used pebble type stones to plant with but for the lilies and other lily type plants I used kitty litter topped with the pebbles. I may be wrong (it does happen) but cost is one factor and *think* also potting soil has stuff added thats not really necessary because the plants get what they need from the water and thats what you want to happen… although you do need to fertilize your lilies. This is what I understood from things I read here but with all the info I’m trying to absorb I do get things confused at times!!! Someone will correct me if I’m wrong. : ) })i({ Cindy })i({ If you think the grass is greener on the other side, get fertilizer!!! : ) Live, Love, Laugh!!! Don’t lose sight of lifes simple treasures, they cost nothing yet are priceless
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay
Not that I have a clue what fuller’s earth is, but _some_ kitty litter may use it. Mine definitely says 100% clay. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
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I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay Not that I have a clue what fuller’s earth is, but _some_ kitty litter may use it. Mine definitely says 100% clay.
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA fuller’s earth any fine-grained, naturally occurring earthy substance that has a substantial ability to adsorb impurities or colouring bodies from fats, grease, or oils. Its name originated with the textile industry, in which textile workers (or fullers) cleaned raw wool by kneading it in a mixture of water and fine earth that adsorbed oil, dirt, and other contaminants from the fibres. Fuller’s earth consists chiefly of hydrated aluminum silicates that contain metal ions such as magnesium, sodium, and calcium within their structure. Montmorillonite is the principal clay mineral in fuller’s earth, but other minerals such as kaolinite, attapulgite, and palygorskite also occur and account for its variable chemical composition. Though similar in appearance to clay, fuller’s earth differs by being more fine-grained and by having a higher water content. It also crumbles into mud when mixed with water, so it has little natural plasticity. The substance is found in a wide range of natural colours, from brown or green to yellow and white. Fuller’s earth is used to refine and decolourize petroleum products, cottonseed and soy oils, tallow, and other fats and oils. Its high adsorptive power also makes it commercially important in the preparation of animal litter trays and assorted degreasing agents and sweeping compounds. Fuller’s earth usually occurs as a by-product of the decomposition of feldspar or from the slow transformation of volcanic glass into crystalline solids. Major deposits of fuller’s earth have been found in England, in Japan, and in Florida, Georgia, Illinois, and Texas, U.S. — Roy
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Im new to this but have been reading posts about kitty litter. Do you use it in place of soil for planting? For all water plants that need potting or just certain ones? And why? Because its cheaper?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe the substance is fullers earth not clay Not that I have a clue what fuller’s earth is, but _some_ kitty litter may use it. Mine definitely says 100% clay. — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
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Im new to this but have been reading posts about kitty litter. Do you use it in place of soil for planting? For all water plants that need potting or just certain ones? And why? Because its cheaper?
Its all a matter of personal preference. Some things I just rinsed off the dirt and used pebble type stones to plant with but for the lilies and other lily type plants I used kitty litter topped with the pebbles. I may be wrong (it does happen) but cost is one factor and *think* also potting soil has stuff added thats not really necessary because the plants get what they need from the water and thats what you want to happen… although you do need to fertilize your lilies. This is what I understood from things I read here but with all the info I’m trying to absorb I do get things confused at times!!! Someone will correct me if I’m wrong. : ) })i({ Cindy })i({ If you think the grass is greener on the other side, get fertilizer!!! : ) Live, Love, Laugh!!! Don’t lose sight of lifes simple treasures, they cost nothing yet are priceless
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What an amazingly ignorant and error riddled propaganda piece… It is criminal that we people in the rich countries of the world allow children to starve to death at a rate of 24,000 every day.
What countries are these that have nearly nine million children die annually. Where do these nine million children come from ? Why aren’t their parents feeding them? Why are the parents spawning at prodigious rates when they know full well that they can’t feed them? What is more ‘criminal’ deliberately giving birth to a child to watch him die of hunger or trying to provide for our own families first? Can you also cite the law that makes not sending money to these turd world nations a crime ? Many of the countries where these children live were ravaged by our ancestors, and much of our present prosperity is the result of those crimes.
Ahh, classic marxism and blame the white European. Tell me about these prosperous empires that reigned before they were defiled by the blue eyed devils. Take Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, how vibrant was the economy before the wicked and depraved northern conquerors came and civilized them? Didn’t the British South Africa Company relinquish control in 1923 ? Didn’t the majority race take control in 1965 by promising not to confiscate the land held by the whites because they relied on them to feed and clothe the blacks ? Is it not the whites the ones who own one fifth the agricultural land yet produce two thirds of the nation’s food ? Is it not the whites who are have held this land for several hundred years ? And is it not the black racist and despotic president who is now advocating the murder and plunder of these whites ? Is this OK with you ? Why in Hell would anyone want to help the barbaric Rhodesians when they are actively killing the whites ? Why isn’t Klinton not waging a bombing campaign on this genocide ? How about doing a little study on European history, there was an awful lot of ‘ravaging’ going on and yet the Europeans have still survived. Why aren’t you so upset about the black African royalty that waged war against the weaker tribes, capturing them and profiting off of their sale to the ‘white man’ ? How many centuries or generations does it take before these sloths quit copulating and start working ? Can you name what decade any African nation had any prominence in world history ? We took over their countries, and in many cases enslaved their people.
Yeah, before South Africans are sure worse off now working the mines than when they were running around nude with bones in their noses and dung in their hair, running from wild animals, spearing neighboring tribesmen, and screwing their daughters. Now that the black marxist government has taken control, crime is now sky-rocketing, gangs rule the streets and businesses are fleeing and unemployment is rising. Civilization is sooo evil. We took advantage of those people’s lack of education, and paid them a pitance for natural resources of their land.
Since when does one need a PhD to work in the textile or automotive industry. Good grief, employers around the world ‘take advantage’ of the uneducated black, brown, yellow and white to perform all kinds of necessary labor intensive jobs. Who do you think makes the clothes that you wear, the food you eat, the car you drive, the building in which you dwell ? Highly educated post graduates ? After we stole their power to self-determination
It would have been better to let them live in grass-huts and eat bugs so as not to rob their self-determination. through our colonialism, we destroyed their culture
Cannibalism and pagan tribalism are cultural traits we want to preserve…. I think that it is their culture that has given the world forty percent AIDS infection rates within their ‘tribes’. Maybe it is better to ask -exactly what cultural value do you think would be of benefit to the rest of the world ? The eating of green-monkeys ? to pass on zoenistic infection ? to the extent that, even after these countries gained their independence, they could not overcome the abuse they suffered at our hands.
The oppressive abuse of forming a civilized world, complete with education, government, medicine, law and order, and industry… Now, their children are dying from lack of food at a rate of 8 million every year, and we claim that their lot is not our responsibiliy.
And how is it our responsibility ? What prevents these people from planting seed and pulling weeds ? What are they doing that requires so much time that none is left to grow crops ? We talk about a "Global Village," while we trample on perhaps the most basic rights those children have – the right to food.
Exactly where does God declare the right to eat ? I see all kinds of proclamations in the Bible where God rains down famine on people. Since rights come from God, you need to raise your fist at God since He is not as compassionate as you. God will not tolerate our cruel indifference much longer.
He has put up with it for several thousand years, could you be more specific on the time when He will not tolerate it ? If we don’t take major steps to feed these children, not in five or ten years, but right now, we will be punished in the same way abusive cultures are always punished.
So nations that provide for their own, give enormously to the world already, and try to teach others to become self-sufficient is ‘abusive’ and needs to be ‘punished’. How about dependent nations led by tyrants that treat people like dirt ? We will suffer the fate of Nazi Germany, and the fate of the Southern states in our civil war.
It wasn’t a civil war, and neither the South nor Germany didn’t suffer because they didn’t feed starving people. I think Germany’s problem was with their neighbors they were invading and bombing. I think the South didn’t have enough guns. We think that we are smart enough to continue to amass more riches while we let children starve and not get punished. God will punish us, and he will punish our children.
So God’s Wrath will come about by not feeding the lazy and stupid and not by sodomy, drug abuse, atheism, abortion, corruption, blasphemy and perversion ? This is as much a law of our world as is any law of nature.
I think they call it Darwinism. Survival of the fittest ? If someone is too stupid and lazy to feed themselves, what kind of strength of their gene pool does this demonstrate ? We will succumb to cancer, and other diseases brought about by our heartless, greedy culture.
More likely from poor diets, overuse of pharmaceuticals, genetic entropy, smoking and other substance abuse, exposure to radiation and other carcinogens… So by your logic a person could avoid cancer and disease by merely handing out food ? Does the Surgeon General know this ? If not for the sake of these children that suffer agonizing deaths that not even adults should have to endure, then for our own sake so that we may escape God’s wrath, make our leaders lead us all to restore our humanity and feed these children.
We will just wave a magic wand over our politicians…. The greatest cruelty of our indifference is that we are so rich that we could feed every one of those children in danger of starving to death and not even miss the money and manpower such a mission would demand. The rich countries of the world have the responsibility to ensure that the right to food is a right that every person on our planet holds, especially the children.
Perhaps we can send over Planned Parenthood so they can slaughter these kids before they get a chance to starve to death. What an [useful] idiot - Lenin would be proud.
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Actually, no. No one has a right to food. Deal with it. — White Raven… Sad as a lonely little wrinkled balloon. Fact: A state or an event. Theory: Our explanation of a fact. Beliefe: What we wish the facts were. Before you buy.
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It is criminal that we people in the rich countries of the world allow children to starve to death at a rate of 24,000 every day. Many of the countries where these children live were ravaged by our ancestors, and much of our present prosperity is the result of those crimes. We took over their countries, and in many cases enslaved their people.
Huh? I know the "Justice" Department, under Janet Reno, now uses brute force, no-knock forced entry, and machine guns against innocent children, but which parts of Africa did the Clinton/Gore Administration seize? I must have missed THAT news occurence! We took advantage of those people’s lack of education, and paid them a pitance for natural resources of their land.
Hell, the Democrat Party in America does BOTH of those things to the American people on an almost daily basis now, George, so why are you so hepped-up over *foreign* countries?? Orthodox
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You make sound so clear cut. We send millions of dollars worth of food and medicine to third world countries but it doesn’t get to the people who need it because their own countrymen steal it and sell it to enrich themselves. If your God cared at all he could simply make sure that what is sent gets to those it was meant for. Before you start your next diatribe, let me tell you that I have been in these countries and seen with my own eyes what is going on so don’t try to blame it on this country. By the way George, if you don’t like it here I will not try to stop you from leaving. Gunner Freedom isn’t free!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is criminal that we people in the rich countries of the world allow children to starve to death at a rate of 24,000 every day. Many of the countries where these children live were ravaged by our ancestors, and much of our present prosperity is the result of those crimes. We took over their countries, and in many cases enslaved their people. We took advantage of those people’s lack of education, and paid them a pitance for natural resources of their land. After we stole their power to self-determination through our colonialism, we destroyed their culture to the extent that, even after these countries gained their independence, they could not overcome the abuse they suffered at our hands. Now, their children are dying from lack of food at a rate of 8 million every year, and we claim that their lot is not our responsibiliy. We talk about a "Global Village," while we trample on perhaps the most basic rights those children have – the right to food. God will not tolerate our cruel indifference much longer. If we don’t take major steps to feed these children, not in five or ten years, but right now, we will be punished in the same way abusive cultures are always punished. We will suffer the fate of Nazi Germany, and the fate of the Southern states in our civil war. We think that we are smart enough to continue to amass more riches while we let children starve and not get punished. God will punish us, and he will punish our children. This is as much a law of our world as is any law of nature. We will succumb to cancer, and other diseases brought about by our heartless, greedy culture. If not for the sake of these children that suffer agonizing deaths that not even adults should have to endure, then for our own sake so that we may escape God’s wrath, make our leaders lead us all to restore our humanity and feed these children. The greatest cruelty of our indifference is that we are so rich that we could feed every one of those children in danger of starving to death and not even miss the money and manpower such a mission would demand. The rich countries of the world have the responsibility to ensure that the right to food is a right that every person on our planet holds, especially the children.
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It is criminal that we people in the rich countries of the world allow children to starve to death at a rate of 24,000 every day. Many of the countries where these children live were ravaged by our ancestors, and much of our present prosperity is the result of those crimes. We took over their countries, and in many cases enslaved their people. We took advantage of those people’s lack of education, and paid them a pitance for natural resources of their land. After we stole their power to self-determination through our colonialism, we destroyed their culture to the extent that, even after these countries gained their independence, they could not overcome the abuse they suffered at our hands. Now, their children are dying from lack of food at a rate of 8 million every year, and we claim that their lot is not our responsibiliy. We talk about a "Global Village," while we trample on perhaps the most basic rights those children have – the right to food. God will not tolerate our cruel indifference much longer. If we don’t take major steps to feed these children, not in five or ten years, but right now, we will be punished in the same way abusive cultures are always punished. We will suffer the fate of Nazi Germany, and the fate of the Southern states in our civil war. We think that we are smart enough to continue to amass more riches while we let children starve and not get punished. God will punish us, and he will punish our children. This is as much a law of our world as is any law of nature. We will succumb to cancer, and other diseases brought about by our heartless, greedy culture. If not for the sake of these children that suffer agonizing deaths that not even adults should have to endure, then for our own sake so that we may escape God’s wrath, make our leaders lead us all to restore our humanity and feed these children. The greatest cruelty of our indifference is that we are so rich that we could feed every one of those children in danger of starving to death and not even miss the money and manpower such a mission would demand. The rich countries of the world have the responsibility to ensure that the right to food is a right that every person on our planet holds, especially the children.
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