i miss my newsgroup.
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okay all: brynn’s apology/address to me was posted here, but by her (i’m sure it was an accident, i know how those keys are 
) i’m not offended by it… i let these things just roll off i’m sure she’s not a terrible flamer. she does not deserve to be flamed, at least not on this . sooooo…as the person the post that was directed at, DON’T FLAME BRYNN!!!! flames aren’t nice. they aren’t necessary. they are childish and silly. jodi Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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Amen, Jodi!!! And since it’s been stated over and over that we’re all entitled to our own opinions, you shouldn’t be flamed by anyone here .. Yeah right!!! I love the "once upon a time" beginning. The old rctn *does* seem like a fairy tale doesn’t it? — Ellen Elliot Lake, Ontario A Jewel In The Wilderness – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, first things first: once upon a time, over a year ago, i posted
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you can’t just lurk here and then complain about what you are reading. sure i can. you can’t control the posts in the ng any more than i can. who are you to tell me not to post? you’re not the moderator. you haven’t been here nearly half as long as i have. it’s not the opinions of others that bother me. it is the 80% non-needlework to 20% real rctn stuff ratio that bothers me.
Jodi I just wasn’t clear again, Jodi. I said you can’t LURK and then complain, and I meant if you are only lurking then you aren’t doing anything to improve the newsgroup. Your posting isn’t the same thing as lurking. I sure didn’t mean you didn’t have a right to post. I’m going to drop the whole thing because I don’t want this to just become one big misunderstanding. Brynn (who has long suspected on her own that there was some undercover sniping and flaming, and is sorry for that too)
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Hello Jodi, I am curious, what prompted you to suddenly jump in here just after another member decided that the group needed to be divided? Sondra 1. post about again to get flamed some more. and please don’t tell me it won’t happen. the people who flamed me are still here, posting away. 2. ADD to the very ot traffic i hate so much? Jodi, I think Brynn meant that if you were unhappy about postings that were OT then you should post post post about embroidery, needlepoint, and other on topic subjects. You have the ability to change the newsgroup simply by adding to the posts that *are* on topic. So don’t lurk unhappily, let us hear what you have to say about the subjects that you love! Teri ~~ to send email, remove "spamless" from address
Jodi, what prompted you to jump in here just after another member decided the group needed to be divided into sides? Sondra
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I think the objection here is to the mechanic stripping down the car in the middle of the gym dance ( to continue your metaphor) Not the choice of decorations. — Ellen Elliot Lake, Ontario A Jewel In The Wilderness – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In other words–if you don’t like the prom decorations, your choices are…. dead cats strung up by the tails or fru-fru pink Chantilly lace streamers and bon bons… Christina
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In article actually, if we had a moderator, we could control it. i am in other ng’s with moderators and they do control the content.
And when they get bogged down (as they would in a 200+-per-day ng!) it would get really ugly, really fast. you can’t just lurk here and then complain about what you are reading. sure i can. you can’t control the posts in the ng any more than i can. who are you to tell me not to post? you’re not the moderator. you haven’t been here nearly half as long as i have.
And this is Usenet, where "What have you done for me lately?" is a byword…you haven’t been around, so you can’t come back and scream because you don’t like it. If you want more needlework posts, start your own threads. Anne — Machine shared by Anne Gwin (agwin*AT*mail.utexas.edu) and Nyarlathotep (nyarlathotep*AT*mail.utexas.edu). Sometimes we forget to change the name on the post. "The little engine that could, did."–Rob Manning, Mars Pathfinder flight director, 7/4/97. <Discussing an image of a black rectangle silhouetted against the Martian landscape "That is the top of the calibration target, that is _not_ in fact a monolith."–NASA TV commentator, 7/5/97
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Isn’t the way to do something just doing it?
some of us don’t have time to change the world. or this ng. i’m a doctoral candidate. i’m a regional and state officer in a political organization. i teach religious school. and, every once in a blue moon, i have a fre moment to read my ng’s. i don’t have the time to post 20 posts a day, as some people do with their ot posts. It’s hypocritical to espouse the way you want it to be, then participate in a manner inconsistent with that vision, then
i do participate in a manner consistenet with my vision. until the post i posted yesterday, i had NEVER posted anything, in the over 3.5 years i’ve been in this ng, ot. EVER. and i have ot in my kill file on my other account, but i can’t do kill files here, as far as i can figure out. done by not doing it. Quit being lazy and shape the group by virtue of your participation.
well, we don’t all sit at our terminals all day posting to ng’s. some of us have lives beyond this. all my on topic posts in the world would not eliminate the over 80% of posts that clog my newsreader that are ot. note i was on my junior prom committee. and i still didn’t like the decorations. or the music. but the hotel was nice. Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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And when they get bogged down (as they would in a 200+-per-day ng!) it would get really ugly, really fast.
the reason we have a 200+ post a day ng is because we have 120+ ot posts. moderated groups don’t have ot posts. thus, it’s not an issue. And this is Usenet, where "What have you done for me lately?" is a byword…you haven’t been around, so you can’t come back and scream because you don’t like it. If you want more needlework posts, start your own threads.
i just won’t respond to this attempt to start a flame war. if you want to insult me personally, anne, please take it to private email, where it belongs. i would point out i have been around, the entire time. i just haven’t posted because i got bored with trying to weed out the posts concerning real needlework as opposed to those that aren’t. jodi Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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Ohhhh my you missed all the tribbles and armadillos and an awful lot of fun!…. and all because you chose to filter it out. So I’m not even going to try to tell you all about it now. Some people just want to be ignorant and that is your choice. I am not being insulting to you here — look up the word definition for ignorant I think the description fits your behavior perfectly. cwiley <donning flame-retardant star-fleet uniform — not red i hadn’t even read that thread. i only read ones which are spcififically about needlework. (actually, if it weren’t the thread i started, i wouldn’t be reading this one!) which one was it? what was the split proposal? besides, a single member can’t "decide" to divide a group, it has to be proposed, discussed, and then voted on by the ENTIRE net community. in any case, ever year or two, someone proposes to split the ng…i think the last reorg was about 4 years ago (right before i joined) when rct was split into a bunch of subgroups…i know kathy dyer was here when that happened, and i’m sure there are some "old timers" here from the pre-split days. jodi
– "Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things!"
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Sorry… I have to agree with Anne–the volume of posts would be overwhelming for a moderated group.
you agree with anne because your goal is to disagree with me. anyhow, i belong to 2 moderated groups, one of which gets over 100 posts on it a day (skimmed out of well over 300, since i know the moderators and get to find out these neato statistics.). it’s manageable. alot of moderated groups have more than one moderator who handles the load. So you have time to devote to a private e-mail flame war… but don’t have time enough to post positively regarding subjects you like….
no, but my postmaster can block individual addresses so your mail just bounces right back to you! Sounds like a priority problem to me….
we’re all allowed to have our own priorities. yours seems to be bashing on me here. i have yet to see you, in at least 6 months, ever post to an ot thread. i checked dejanews. Of course, that would have been a little too proactive, huh?
yes, well, i’m just a lazy bum. all these 14 hour work days are just play to me. jodi who still doesn’t understand why christina is bashing on me personally. and i agree with another thread: do you do needlwork actually, or do you just post nonsense here? Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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Here, Here! Couldn’t have said it any better! Laura, Skor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yet, i will continue to lurk here…one an active poster, now just a saddened spectator watching what was once my fav ng go further towards a chat group and further away from something actually educational and useful. happy stitching, jodi Jodi, First I want to say I’m sorry if you were flamed in the way you describe. I hope it never happens again. I hope you learn to love the group again. I think, though, that it is unfair for you to sit here as a saddened spectator, waiting for the group to be what you want it to be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm. Glad to have you back, Brynn
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group again. I think, though, that it is unfair for you to sit here as a saddened spectator, waiting for the group to be what you want it to be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm.
the last time i post post posted about the ot topics was the time i got flamed. so why on earth would i: 1. post about again to get flamed some more. and please don’t tell me it won’t happen. the people who flamed me are still here, posting away. 2. ADD to the very ot traffic i hate so much? jodi Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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I understand that some things are harder to swallow than others. Do you feel like you are going to go to hell because you are Jewish? I don’t either. That sort of thing you are going to have to let roll off your back. I don’t know what else to suggest if that is impossible for you to do.
BIGFOOTINMOUTHBRYNN wrote that Folks, I have already addressed Jodi personally for that insensitive, cloddish statement. It didn’t come out AT ALL as I intended. I realized it as soon as I hit the send button. We all know there isn’t a cure for that. I do not want this to be the cause of the kind of terrible flamewar this could be. I don’t think I could bear it. Please, if anyone has anything to say to me of a flame-wise nature (and I deserve it), please do it privately by email. I do not want to cause anyone any pain over this. Thanks, Brynn
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Well, Jodi, you can’t control what other people on the group are going to do. You only have control over your own keyboard. I’ve taken flack for some of my opinions, although I don’t feel I’ve ever been flamed. I understand that some things are harder to swallow than others. Do you feel like you are going to go to hell because you are Jewish? I don’t either. That sort of thing you are going to have to let roll off your back. I don’t know what else to suggest if that is impossible for you to do.
no, i can’t control the ng and whateother people say. and i wouldn’t want to. but i do think people should go try reading rctn’s charter once in a while. or perhaps we should have an rctn.ot group. (this was once suggested, but, unfortunately, shot down.) i think my point re the anti-semitic flames is that the idea that we are a friendly, wonderful newsgroup is a crock. the people who flamed me are regular posters and still here. and they’re anti-semitic, hatefilled people, but you wouldn’t know it, would you? and many people here consider other posters their friends. the fact is, at one time, this ng was a great, educational ng for needleworkers. now it is a chat room. i was expressing my opinion, something that is perhaps more legit than many of the ot posts. and you don’t like it. deal. As for the OT posts, well the same thing applies. You are not in charge of the newsgroup’s content, and even if you were you couldn’t control it.
actually, if we had a moderator, we could control it. i am in other ng’s with moderators and they do control the content. you can’t just lurk here and then complain about what you are reading.
sure i can. you can’t control the posts in the ng any more than i can. who are you to tell me not to post? you’re not the moderator. you haven’t been here nearly half as long as i have. it’s not the opinions of others that bother me. it is the 80% non-needlework to 20% real rctn stuff ratio that bothers me. Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the last time i post post posted about the ot topics was the time i got flamed. so why on earth would i: 1. post about again to get flamed some more. and please don’t tell me it won’t happen. the people who flamed me are still here, posting away. 2. ADD to the very ot traffic i hate so much? Jodi, I think Brynn meant that if you were unhappy about postings that were OT then you should post post post about embroidery, needlepoint, and other on topic subjects. You have the ability to change the newsgroup simply by adding to the posts that *are* on topic. So don’t lurk unhappily, let us hear what you have to say about the subjects that you love! Teri ~~ to send email, remove "spamless" from address
Thanks Teri, That would be what I was trying to say : ) If everyone lurked until the newsgroup was what they wanted it to be, there’d be NO posts. You can’t expect others to post about topics you are interested in, even if you knew precisely what they were. I never meant to say it wasn’t ok to complain about things that bother you either. Just that it might be a bit hypocritical to expect others to post needlework related items when you aren’t going to do so yourself. Brynn (off to tend to the mums)
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be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm. the last time i post post posted about the ot topics was the time i got flamed.
Uh… if you oject to the off topic threads, why did you "post post post" about ot topics. I believe Brynn was sugessting that you should post post post about NEEDLEWORK as you are complaining that noone does. By starting "On Topic" threads you will in turn increads *on* topic traffic (people will write back, you see). I doubt anyone will flame you for an *ON* topic post anyway! Why would they? I never thought cross stitch was such a controversial topic. So PLEASE post away. Post about your love of needle work so we can enthuze (enthuse?) with you. Post questions we can answer, and news of project progress… we’ll join in! We already do, but if you think it’s not enough, you need only add to the flow of "on" toics. Right? kimberly
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I am curious, what prompted you to suddenly jump in here just after another member decided that the group needed to be divided?
i hadn’t even read that thread. i only read ones which are spcififically about needlework. (actually, if it weren’t the thread i started, i wouldn’t be reading this one!) which one was it? what was the split proposal? besides, a single member can’t "decide" to divide a group, it has to be proposed, discussed, and then voted on by the ENTIRE net community. in any case, ever year or two, someone proposes to split the ng…i think the last reorg was about 4 years ago (right before i joined) when rct was split into a bunch of subgroups…i know kathy dyer was here when that happened, and i’m sure there are some "old timers" here from the pre-split days. jodi Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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ROTFLMAO!!!! A torte concealer, huh? Isn’t taunting with a torte fair…. unless of course she were to taunt you again… which would clearly be a violation according to the authority, Ned E. Quetty. Christ ina
She is a repeat offender. At the end of each email there is a reference to torte consumption. It is true that I did start the thing by casually mentioning that I was eating a bowl of ice cream. But any goober can go to the store and get ice cream. She didn’t have to one-up me with a homemade torte. Brynn
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Sorry… I have to agree with Anne–the volume of posts would be overwhelming for a moderated group. you agree with anne because your goal is to disagree with me. No… I agree with Anne because her supposition is more logical than yours.
Christina is right that manual moderation would be very hard to do. But as I said previously, a group moderated by autobot could easily handle this number of posts. It’s a moot point though, until and unless this group decides to investigate being moderated. Teri ~~ to send email, remove "spamless" from address A rose is an argument. It proclaims the triumph of beauty over brutality, of gentleness over violence, of the ephemeral over the lasting, and of the Universal over the particular. ~~ Alain Meilland
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Teri ~~ who spent a number of months doing research for moderating another newsgroup (which has never yet gotten far enough along to become a new, moderated newsgroup)
Wow, real facts!! Thanks for clearing that up, Teri! I have a question. How does an autobot know what’s on-T and what’s OT? What with thread drift, and all…Does it scan for ObStitching keywords, or something? And with human moderators…what if s/he decides s/he hates me, or something, and doesn’t let any of my deathless prose through? AustinAnne fascinated — Machine shared by Anne Gwin (agwin*AT*mail.utexas.edu) and Nyarlathotep (nyarlathotep*AT*mail.utexas.edu). Sometimes we forget to change the name on the post. "The little engine that could, did."–Rob Manning, Mars Pathfinder flight director, 7/4/97. <Discussing an image of a black rectangle silhouetted against the Martian landscape "That is the top of the calibration target, that is _not_ in fact a monolith."–NASA TV commentator, 7/5/97
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Cheese popcorn I meant. It will stain your linen. It will make a pug’s eyes pop out of his head.
Wonder what it would do to cats? <g Actually, couldn’t you eat it from a glass, like M&M’s? As long as you don’t get your hands near your face, you should be OK. Can’t lick your floss though… I think this is my third food-related OT post of today. <sigh Must be a hormone thing. :-) Karin, who knows all about that torte and wants some, too <vbg
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group again. I think, though, that it is unfair for you to sit here as a saddened spectator, waiting for the group to be what you want it to be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm. the last time i post post posted about the ot topics was the time i got flamed. so why on earth would i: 1. post about again to get flamed some more. and please don’t tell me it won’t happen. the people who flamed me are still here, posting away. 2. ADD to the very ot traffic i hate so much?
Jodi, I think Brynn meant that if you were unhappy about postings that were OT then you should post post post about embroidery, needlepoint, and other on topic subjects. You have the ability to change the newsgroup simply by adding to the posts that *are* on topic. So don’t lurk unhappily, let us hear what you have to say about the subjects that you love! Teri ~~ to send email, remove "spamless" from address A rose is an argument. It proclaims the triumph of beauty over brutality, of gentleness over violence, of the ephemeral over the lasting, and of the Universal over the particular. ~~ Alain Meilland
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yet, i will continue to lurk here…one an active poster, now just a saddened spectator watching what was once my fav ng go further towards a chat group and further away from something actually educational and useful. happy stitching, jodi
Jodi, First I want to say I’m sorry if you were flamed in the way you describe. I hope it never happens again. I hope you learn to love the group again. I think, though, that it is unfair for you to sit here as a saddened spectator, waiting for the group to be what you want it to be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm. Glad to have you back, Brynn
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group again. I think, though, that it is unfair for you to sit here as a saddened spectator, waiting for the group to be what you want it to be. If you are not happy with the amount of discussion on needlepoint, or whatever, post post post about it. People will respond with enthusiasm. the last time i post post posted about the ot topics was the time i got flamed. so why on earth would i: 1. post about again to get flamed some more. and please don’t tell me it won’t happen. the people who flamed me are still here, posting away. 2. ADD to the very ot traffic i hate so much? jodi
Well, Jodi, you can’t control what other people on the group are going to do. You only have control over your own keyboard. I’ve taken flack for some of my opinions, although I don’t feel I’ve ever been flamed. I understand that some things are harder to swallow than others. Do you feel like you are going to go to hell because you are Jewish? I don’t either. That sort of thing you are going to have to let roll off your back. I don’t know what else to suggest if that is impossible for you to do. As for the OT posts, well the same thing applies. You are not in charge of the newsgroup’s content, and even if you were you couldn’t control it. You, once again, only have control over what you post. I still say you can’t just lurk here and then complain about what you are reading. I don’t see how that even helps to make the newsgroup a better place. You have to post about subjects you are interested in. If you can’t deal with the opinions of others, or if the flames are too hot, then I don’t know what to tell you. Brynn
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well, first things first: once upon a time, over a year ago, i posted here, alot. some of you might remember me…in fact, i met a group of people who had lunch with at least once a month and took road trips with when i lived in amherst (hi katrina, jeanne, allison, if you’re out there.) over 3 years ago, i found this ng. it was a nice ng. unlike my "rec.sports.college.football" group, i could post here, and i would not get ripped apart because i was a woman. i could ask questions, and meet people, and it was pleasant. we talked about needelpoint and cross stitch. thanks to this ng, i learned about things other than aida, and flosses other than dmc, and now i never use aida, never buy kits, and stitch with silk and variegated threads alot. i found fun stores, learned about socs adn xs magazines. but then we all became "friends". people stopped posting about needlepoint, adn started lots of ot posts. i even put the phrase "ot" in my kill file, adn discovered the amoutn of traffic here went down over 65%. people used every excuse, in every thread, to post about their husbands "letting them" go shopping, or their cats, or their children, or their parents, or chocolate. (don’t get me wrong…i LOVE chocolate. i have parents. i don’t mind children all that much. but tha’ts not what i read this ng for.) about a year ago, i stopped reading the ng because i was sick of reading how we were all "friends", when the only thing i had in common with most people here was my needlepoint habit..and when i disagreed with people post ot stuff, i got flamed, even as other people posted about our wonderful flame free newsgroup. (and i mean flamed. as in telling me i was an immoral evil human being because i was a graduate student instead of being a mother, adn that because i was a jew, i’d burn in hell forever. really lovely stuff. much more personal than any of the guys from my foobtall or basketball ng.).. but i missed my stitching tips, my store ideas, new catalogues. so i came back….AND IT’S WORSE! now we flame each other on the ng, while saying that we’re just the nicest little ng….i counted today, and less than 20% of the posts were about stitching. tomorrow, i will go to the first meeting of the bay area stitchers sampler group. i am looking forward to it. hopefully, no one will talk about how great everyone is and then not bash on each other in the next second. hopefully, we’ll talk about stitching, and not about home vs. public schools. yet, i will continue to lurk here…one an active poster, now just a saddened spectator watching what was once my fav ng go further towards a chat group and further away from something actually educational and useful. happy stitching, jodi ps–regarding all teh threads i have been tempted to respond to but haven’t: i am a mid-twenty something (24) stitcher. i am a graduate student, in physics. i live in california, but i used to live, at various times, in western mass, durham/raleigh and charlotte, nc and long island. i’ve been stitching since i was in 4th grade. my mom does, too…sometimes we sit and stitch together. my single fav magazine is just cross stitch. i do x-stitch, crewel, hardanger, and needlepoint. i will try virtually every type of fiber and fabric known to human kind. i am going to socs sacramento, although i got none of my classes, for the mall…i was going myself, but my phd advisor’s wife (yes, you read that correctly) wants to go too, so we will go together. Web Page: http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jodiw/home.html Graduate Student, Physics and Astronomy UMass,Amherst In Residence at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center SLAC Office: Central Lab Annex B157 SLAC Phone #: 650-926-4169 FAX: 650-926-2923
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